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When Islamists Get Caught-The president of the Muslim American Society is caught on tape.
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 10-4-07 | Steven Emerson

Posted on 10/04/2007 6:46:10 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 10/04/2007 6:46:14 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
A moderate Muslim is a Muslim who is not trying to kill you.

At this time.

2 posted on 10/04/2007 6:51:39 AM PDT by magslinger (Submission? That's a bit of a problem!-Leonidas (300))
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To: SJackson

That one’s worth a bookmark.

It’s good that people are starting to realize exactly who the Serbs were fighting against when Bill Clinton through the US Air Force in to support the Jihadists in the former Yugoslavia.


3 posted on 10/04/2007 6:51:46 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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4 posted on 10/04/2007 6:53:06 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim... just a sleeper agent.


5 posted on 10/04/2007 6:53:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim... just a sleeper agent.
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Agreed. We let them in, we will pay. They are troublemakers, and enemies of FREE, WESTERN society. Nothing has changed for thousands of years.


6 posted on 10/04/2007 7:04:51 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SJackson

What is Islam based on?

Mohammed went into “trances” and fits (like epileptic fits) when he was given the “word of God” and would shout out what he was told. These would be written down by his followers. This is the makeup of the Koran.

When Mohammed was just walking and talking and acting like “normal”, his words and deeds were written down by his followers and this went into the Hadith. Now, acting “normal” for Mohammed was taking 12+ wives (including a 6 year old), taking slaves (including sex slaves), executing infidels, conducting raids for treasure, etc.

Now, this is where it gets complicated.

A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).

Now, how Mohammed determined which verses were from God and which were from Satan I do not know.

Also, there were literally dozens of widely different versions of the Koran and Hadith floating around for several hundred years after Mohammed death until a Fatwah was decreed to destroy all but one version. Now, even Mohammed could not remember what he was told by God and forgot it (those are his words as written in the Hadith) so I do not know how the powers in charge decided which was the correct version.

Also according to the Hadith, Mohammed turned people into monkeys, you can determine a child’s sex depending on whether the male or female has an orgasm first (that advice came directly from the Angel Gabriel), dogs and cats are evil and should be killed, that the devil lives in your nose at night (and how to get rid of him in the morning), chess is forbidden, muslims have one intestine while infidels have seven, don’t pray looking up or your eyes will be snatched away, that one wing of a fly is poison but the other is the cure, that drinking camel urine is good for you and I could go on.

And that Mohammed himself didn’t even know if he was going to heaven. If even Mohammed doesn’t know, what chance does the average muslim have?

And for some non-PC info, Mohammed was described as a white man.

Now, if you can bear it, to compare to the Gospels of New Testament.

Jesus was someone who lived a very humble life and was killed for basically saying he was a King and Son of God (blasphemy) by the powers in charge (Roman and Jewish). The government wanted Jesus destroyed and wanted his growing movement destroyed (as it threatened their power). If, after 3 days, the followers of Jesus proclaimed he has risen from the dead, (just as he predicted), and is truly our Savior, the High Officials would have wanted to destroy such a “myth.” They could have easily done this by producing the dead body of Jesus and saying “Your Messiah is still dead and so is your movement” or producing many eye witnesses of the dead Jesus. But they couldn’t.

The letters that make up the New Testament were written by the eye witnesses of the events of Jesus. They were written in just one generation when many other eye witnesses were still alive. They were written without collusion from other Apostles. Even if any of the Apostles wanted to “add” to the “myth” of Jesus, they would have done so in a very disjointed and easily detectable fashion. Yet, the main Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that describe the life of Jesus are amazingly in harmony with one another and the small differences are consistent with what we would see today if four people witnessed a major event and wrote about the event apart from each other. The Gospels can be traced back to their sources and are basically unchanged from their originals.

The Bible (especially the New Testament) is the most investigated historical document in the history of the world. It has been investigated by scientists, philosophers and archeologists using technology undreamed of when the Bible was written. It is been desperately tried to be “disproved” for over 2000 years, yet, the Bible still stands as the truth.

The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.

Regards,

2banana


PS - There are many topics that could be compared - The stories of a adulterous woman is found in both the Bible and Koran. They seem to sum up each religion.

Christianity

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:1-11)

Islam

There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Gamid and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.’ He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: ‘Allah’s messenger, why do you turn me away? ... By Allah I have become pregnant.’ He said ‘Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth.’ When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag, and said ‘Here is the child whom I have given birth to.’ He said ‘Go away and suckle him until you wean him.’ When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said ‘Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.’ He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. (Sahih Muslim 4206)

Jesus

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. (Mark 12:28-34)

Mohammed

Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next in goodness? He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj Mubrur.”


7 posted on 10/04/2007 7:05:09 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SJackson

BUSTED!


8 posted on 10/04/2007 7:07:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SJackson
I can’t wait for the day people realize there’s no such thing as ‘moderate’ muslims. One of the main premises of this ‘religion’ is to force non-believers to submit and consider them below human until they do.

There is nothing peaceful in the Koran when it applies to non-believers. It actually states that Muslims are allowed to pretend to be friends with non-believers to build up strength and take over in the future.

The only ‘moderate’ muslims are the non-religious ones. The closer one is to Islam, the closer they are to evil.

9 posted on 10/04/2007 7:07:45 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Publius6961
If "jihad" means spiritual struggle, then "crusade" means a vigorous concerted movement against an abuse.
I'm both a jihadist, and an anti-muslim crusader.
10 posted on 10/04/2007 7:16:10 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SJackson

“”...you have learned the way, that you have known that the jihad way is the way to liberate your land.””

In the cult of Islam everything belongs to their moon god Allah and they are given permission in their cult instruction booklet written by that child-molesting murderer known as Mad Mo to kill anyone who opposes him.

They try to hide that by saying Islam does not support murder, so they simply justify killing “infidels” by saying they only kill those who fight Islam and that anyone who opposes Allah owning everything as fighting Islam.

Remember, their instruction booklet, the Qur’an, was written by an insane man riddled with venereal diseases.


11 posted on 10/04/2007 7:21:02 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: magslinger
See tagline.

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12 posted on 10/04/2007 7:23:56 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: 2banana

The only thing you need to know about the differences between Islam and Christianity can be summed up in one sentence.

Jesus died for your sins, Mohammed would kill you for them.


13 posted on 10/04/2007 7:30:28 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Lurker
Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.

I gotta disagree with that. The relationship is more akin to that of Bubonic Plague and Pneumonic Plague. Same causative organism, just different forms of the disease. Both are as potentially deadly as Ebola, though.

14 posted on 10/04/2007 7:33:36 AM PDT by magslinger (Submission? That's a bit of a problem!-Leonidas (300))
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To: 2banana
A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).

There are only a few "Satanic Verses."

ML/NJ

15 posted on 10/04/2007 7:37:08 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: SJackson

One thing some people refuse to accept is that in Islam its *explicitly* ok for a believer to lie to an infidel. While one can find instances of deception in the Bible they are either man being sinful (Abraham tell Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister out of fear) or is ordained in that instance by God (Rahab).

I can think of no instance where there is a blanket ‘its ok to lie’


16 posted on 10/04/2007 7:39:26 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: varyouga
So TRUE, in fact if you are a so-called Moderate Muslim, you too are on the Jihadists list. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, you are either a Muslim or an Infidel.

Think! Almost all Christian churches are mission driven, however, not all of the congregation goes on missions. But everyone in the church donates towards the mission for the good of the mission.

So it is in the Muslim tradition, either you donate your tithe or your very life to the Jihad.

17 posted on 10/04/2007 7:58:28 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: SJackson

A moderate muslim is one who has run out of ammo.


18 posted on 10/04/2007 8:10:02 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: magslinger

A moderate Muslim is one who is either a borderline apostate or an observant Muslim who will quietly cheer the jihadi attacks done by their more extreme counterparts.


20 posted on 10/04/2007 8:48:08 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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