Posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:58 PM PDT by sitetest
Well said.
I’m no girliani fan but I appreciate your sentiment.
I belong to a large Bible teaching church, with people of all races and nationalities that attend. I am betting half will vote Democrat even though they call themselves conservative and are against abortion. Repubs better wake up and pull together or we will have not a liberal president, but a socialist, far worse than Bill Clinton was.
We all better wake up.
Re: Perhaps in the short-term, Mr. Giuliani would be a slightly less evil president
Are you joking?
Giulani saw this country though it’s greatest challenge and sees the defining fight of our life more clearly (IMO) than anyone else.
We will not be “suffering” under Giulani.
Re: desires of those who would sell their souls by voting for this moral horror
Ummmm, hyperbole alone will not make a point for you if the underlying facts are not there to support what you say, as is the case here. You can say that people who vote for him are “selling their souls” but it really doesn’t jive with reality.
Well, on the issue of terror, Rudy is anything but a lib. And I think that’s going to weigh heavy on the minds of primary voters. There are only two of the major candidates now that I trust to “put a bullet in an AQ’s head,” Rudy and Fred. I do not trust Mitt to do so, and always have questions about McCain.
“Re: Perhaps in the short-term, Mr. Giuliani would be a slightly less evil president
“Are you joking?”
Nope. Mr. Giuliani is an evil man who would not only do evil things to the country but would ruin the party that opposes great evil.
You may differ, but this is my view and the view of many others.
“Giulani saw this country though it’s greatest challenge and sees the defining fight of our life more clearly (IMO) than anyone else.”
Mr. Giuliani ran a moderately-competent mop-up job after his incompetence exposed New York City to the worst case fall-out from terrorist attack. In your honest opinion isn’t my honest opinion. I don’t think he has a clue about the real fight for our lives and our country.
“Re: desires of those who would sell their souls by voting for this moral horror
“Ummmm, hyperbole alone...”
Why don’t you look in the mirror?
sitetest
I think that perhaps Mr. Giuliani means well regarding the war, but I don’t think he’s competent to lead the nation through the war.
sitetest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1906681/posts?
Thompson raises 9.3 Million second qtr......
Where is the hyperbole in my post????
All those international corporate interests hoping for a President who will continue to erode our industrial capacity and national wealth to the benefit of Chinese Communists and allow the few remaining jobs to go to illegal invaders.
Good show JulieAnnie!!
It is in your attempting to read minds and assign motives:
“You have no problem at all with living with this scenario for possibly 8 years simply because you did not get your candidate?’
“Selfish is the most apt word to describe that.”
Those of us who will not vote for the baby murderer are not doing so “simply because [we] did not get [our] candidate.”
That’s hyperbole on your part. As well as a false and uncharitable attempt to read our minds and assign motives. It was a shameful post.
I merely mirrored it with the unlikely hope that you would see your foul post for what it was and if not offer an apologize, at least retreat in appropriately embarrassed silence.
I won’t vote for Mr. Giuliani because I believe that he would make a very bad president, and would, in the long term, do more damage than even Mrs. Clinton. You may or may not agree, but I’m not selfish to be willing to accept the consequences of a second Clinton presidency in the short- and mid-term to avoid the more disastrous long-term consequences of a Giuliani regime.
sitetest
OK, I think I get it now. You are not going to vote for ANYONE unless they pass each and every one of your tests for abortion, guns, death penalty......
Good luck on that one.
No, demonstrably, you don’t get it.
But I didn’t expect you would.
sitetest
We sincerely differ in that assessment then. I think of all of them he is, in terms of both experience and proclivities, the best to do so. I elevate Fred ahead of him on all the other issues, but I don’t think Fred (who lacks any real executive experience) would get up to speed as fast as Rudy.
“We sincerely differ in that assessment then.”
Yes, we do. And I respect folks who support Mr. Giuliani because they 1) think that the war is the overriding issue for our country and 2) that somehow, Mr. Giuliani is the best qualified to lead us in the war. I disagree on both counts, especially the second one, but it’s an honest disagreement.
With regard to my own post #40, I don’t really think that Giuliani supporters are selfish, I just think that they have a different perspective, and are doing their best to do what is best for our country.
But neither are we who oppose ALL liberals from New York selfish.
Would that some of the rudybotjackasses would give the same benefit of the doubt to those of us who believe that a Giuliani regime will be very, very bad for our country.
Not only do these morons support a liberal, they show themselves to be little more than liberal DU trolls.
sitetest
Except he can only use $12 million of that; $4 million is earmarked for the general election, if he wins the primary (I'm guessing due to donors exceeding the $2,300 limit).
But sometimes I think people don't realize that a "good Rudy" could be pretty darn good. Either way, I don't think anyone on our side except RP could possibly be worse than Hillary, and so I will keep my pecking order (for now) of Fred, Rudy, Mitt.
If the race is Trudy vd Hillary! THAT would insure a Marxist President for the next 8 years who would try to turn this country into a socialist nanny -state.
In my view, the “good Rudy” only exists after the ingestion of molds from rye bread.
;-)
I don’t think that Mr. Giuliani is worse than Mrs. Clinton, per se. Rather, I think that Mrs. Clinton’s attempt to shove through HillaryCare II and whatever other programs she tries will arouse the opposition of Republicans in Congress, and some conservative Democrats, and will likely result in a narrowing of the Democrat majority to the point where the Democrats can no longer get the worst Democrat legislation through, or even will result in new Republican majorities.
Which will hold the line against the worst excesses of Mrs. Clinton.
Conversely, Mr. Giuliani is nearly as liberal as Mrs. Clinton, but will likely not garner much opposition from Republicans in Congress. Democrats in Congress will only be too happy to send up liberal legislation that Mr. Giuliani will sign.
Even with judicial nominations, I suspect that Mr. Giuliani will nominate judges and justices along the same lines as he ACTUALLY DID WHILE MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY, WHICH WERE ALMOST ALL INVARIABLY LIBERAL. And he will meet with little or no opposition from either side.
Mrs. Clinton, however, may be unable to nominate the most liberal folks she’d like to nominate, because Republicans will get political leverage and capital in opposing them.
Finally, parties often follow their presidents. It is likely that Mr. Giuliani will transmogrify the Republican party into a party of “choice” on baby murder, into a party of a restrictive interpretation of the Second Amendment, a party that embraces “gay rights” in the name of some funky antinomian libertarianism, a party that increasingly vitiates the Fourth and Fifth Amendments (I may not be a libertarian, but I am a civil libertarian). Statist, corporatist, wary of, if not hostile to individual liberties, unconcerned with and unbelieving in inalienable human rights, and entirely embraced of the Culture of Death.
So, we’ll have TWO Democrat parties instead of one.
The bottom line is that if the election is Giuliani vs. Clinton, conservatives, at least social conservatives, will have already lost. It will be time to rebuild for the future. It will be easier to rebuild if the Republican Party isn’t destroyed at the same time.
If your house is on fire, try not to burn down the fire station, too.
sitetest
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