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Man kills self in front of City Council after zoning decision
CNN ^ | 10/5/2007 | AP

Posted on 10/05/2007 5:49:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

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To: GunRunner

I didn’t off myself in public.


61 posted on 10/05/2007 6:36:26 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: Judith Anne
On the other hand, this way, the city council got to see first hand what people do when they destroy everything people have worked for, for years. I have no problem with that.

This man could have punished those in front of him but instead of ruining their lives and lives of their families he chose to be a martyr.

Those people, that town will forever have that man's death burned into them.

We Americans will only be pushed so far before we take drastic measures...

62 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:28 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: Judith Anne
On the other hand, this way, the city council got to see first hand what people do when they destroy everything people have worked for, for years. I have no problem with that.

You have no problem with the guy committing suicide?! What the hell is wrong with you?

63 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:33 AM PDT by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity)
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To: Judith Anne

You posted: Read upthread, there were buildings zoned commercial all around him, including next door.
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Yeah, I did read that, but it is not clear from the article exactly what sort of rezoning he was seeking, and what sort of uses that rezoning would have allowed. From prior posts it appears that this guy had already borrowed money, before getting the rezoning, hoping that he’d get what he asked for from the city. Someone opposed his rezoning request, and it would be interesting to know who those peoople were, and why they were in opposition. I am not a big government person, but local governments, at least in smaller cities and towns, are more responsive to citizen concerns and input. There is a lot to this story that has not yet been said.


64 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:51 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Sam's Army
You are already on record as stating you have no problem with public suicide, even if it means those who voted his way have to witness it. Some interesting logic, but hey, it's Friday.

Liar. But, unlike you, I do understand why a man, who has just heard a city council vote to destroy his business and who will lose his home, might feel suicidal. You apparently do not understand that, and have no problem with petty bureaucracy destroying everything he worked for. Understood.

By the way, with commercially zoned property next door to him, and all down the street from him, what do YOU think should have been done? Would YOU have voted against him?

65 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:54 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: sourcery

It’s very hostile and anti-social, regardless of the provocation. And it was not an appropriate response to a City Council decision. Yegad. He lost all perspective.


66 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:12 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SShultz460

I shouldn’t be laughing, but I did. It’s a grower.


67 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Judith Anne

From the Shriner’s pin on his hat, IMHO, the fatal decision had been a consequence of hanging around the wrong influential people for a long time.

Meanwhile, I wonder what the freemasons will now feel compelled to do with the city council when they are confronted by an obvious self sacrifice of one of their brethren in response to those who cornered a masonic brother.

If they follow freemasonry, then evil prevails, but if they simply believe in God, through faith in Christ first, then they won’t be so tempted into continuing Bo’s incorrect reaction.


68 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Judith Anne
On the other hand, this way, the city council got to see first hand what people do when they destroy everything people have worked for, for years. I have no problem with that.

Your implication here is that everyone who has lost everything kills himself. So very not true.

69 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:55 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Judith Anne

‘My sympathy is with the dead guy.’ Yup, he sure showed them. Except for one small wrinkle in his plan — HE LOST.


70 posted on 10/05/2007 6:42:27 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NCLaw441

Of course it isn’t clear in the article, why the board made the decision. That might have revealed something else that made the poor city council uncomfortable.


71 posted on 10/05/2007 6:43:08 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SShultz460

“Hey man, nice shot.”


72 posted on 10/05/2007 6:44:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Lurker

Your take is right on!


73 posted on 10/05/2007 6:46:25 AM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: Lurker

Consequences of their actions? Are you kidding me? The guy asked for his zoning to be changed because of debts he incurred... without it he couldn’t get a loan to restructure. Why is that the ZONING BOARDS fault????

I don’t see how the zoning board is at fault for not changing a persons zoning, a zoning the person knew when they bought the property long ago.

I don’t know what this guy was trying to prove, but its sad that this is the decision he chose to make. Blaming the board members for refusing a zoning change on a standing structure however for his decision is childish and insane.


74 posted on 10/05/2007 6:47:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: sourcery
So is the theft of a person's livelihood—which is what had just happened to the guy.

How was his livelihood "stolen," and by whom?

Let's recap the events as related in the article:
- Bo Ward expands his barber shop, goes into debt.
- Ward then asks the city to re-zone his house, increasing his property value with the stroke of a pen, so he can borrow more money.
- City refuses, Ward shoots himself.

Note that the barber shop was not in his house, and that he hadn't expressed any plans to move it there.

I haven't seen his house. I don't know whether commercial zoning would be appropriate for it. I know I wouldn't be thrilled if a business opened next door on my quiet, tree-lined suburban street.

This is a story about a man who made a bad business decision -- the kind that puts businesses under every day. If his barber shop had failed, he could have gone to work for someone else. The city had no obligation to bail him out, and the city is not responsible for whatever emotional problems led to his suicide.

75 posted on 10/05/2007 6:48:05 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Judith Anne
"what do YOU think should have been done?

As a first step, avoid shooting oneself. Secondly, find a way to overcome the setback. Oh, that's right, no one else thinks that way except me.

"Would YOU have voted against him?"

Nope. But I guess I would have gotten to view his suicide all the same. What a treat.

76 posted on 10/05/2007 6:48:25 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: jdm

What shocks me about this entire thread is that so very few FReepers have any sympathy at all for this man.

What else shocks me about this entire thread is how very many FReepers would meekly put up with the loss of their home and livelihood because of a petty zoning board decision.

Sheeple.


77 posted on 10/05/2007 6:48:35 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: ReignOfError
I know I wouldn't be thrilled if a business opened next door on my quiet, tree-lined suburban street.

I'll bet you have no clue how many home businesses are 'illegally' operating in your neighborhood.

L

78 posted on 10/05/2007 6:49:33 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: Sam's Army

I pray to God you never have to eat those words.


79 posted on 10/05/2007 6:50:39 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Sam's Army
I am impressed by your wonderful grasp of how life is and how well you’ve managed to conquer the ups and downs of life. I’m sure you’ve had to work very hard and spend lots of time getting to the place where your outlook and your handling of life is almot perfect. Perhaps now that you’ve gotten that part of life squared away so well you can devote a few minutes to develop a some understanding for those who weren’t gifted with your obviously near-superhuman ability to handle life.

Perhaps you’ve never had to endure the suicide of a loved one. I pray that if that’s why you have so little empathy for those who choose a permanent solution to a temporary problem that God will spare you the experience.

And perhaps you are indeed a caring individual who did not intend to come across as sounding flippant and judgmental. If so disregard those of us who find your attitude a bit lacking.

80 posted on 10/05/2007 6:51:06 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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