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To: ricks_place

“Sadly, the police could not have known with what they were dealing. Unfortunate incident for everyone, but the police are not to blame.”

That’s right, they can’t know what they’re dealing with which is why you can’t chain a person up and then walk off and leave them unsupervised, even if it’s just for a couple of minutes.

She could have been diabetic and gone into a insulin coma or had a heart attack or stroke from all the screaming and yelling.

When you chain a person up and make it impossible for them to care for themself, it becomes your responsibility to care for them.

OTOH, it doesn’t take a trained police officer to sit and watch someone and since Phoenix is so happy to coddle illegal aliens, I suggest they go down to the nearest day labor center and hire a couple of illegals at $10/hr to watch the people that are chained up.


18 posted on 10/06/2007 1:08:02 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: RatSlayer; dsc; cherry
So tell me, RatSlayer: What have you done in your community to make sure that law enforcement personnel are well chosen, well trained and well paid, and that there are enough of them and that they have enough equipment to accomplish safely what you think they should accomplish in the manner in which you think they should accomplish it?

dsc: According to reports and to video she "went off". How do YOU handle wildly combative people without hurting them, allowing them to hurt themselves, or getting hurt yourself?

cherry, your point is good. How much does it cost to make sure that every holding cell has a monitor and every monitor has an officer who knows what to do watching it? And is your community willing to pay that cost? And if the money and the staffing aren't there should they just leave people alone, to run around the airport throwing cell phones and making trouble?

If we want to compare police work to the perfect, it will always come up short. It certainly gets my attention that there was no camera in the cell or officer watching a monitor. It would be interesting to know whose budget decision that was. But you can bet it was a budget decision, at the bottom. Cops don't make budget decisions. They suffer with them.

But what we have is communities hiring cops, paying them too little, not training or equipping them enough and then exposing them to opprobrium and lawsuits if they do their job under less than optimal circumstances. And then people on FR are shocked, SHOCKED, when cops do anything less than absolutely perfectly.

When you enter the realm of violence, violence is what often happens. People get hurt. Some die. Few of the good guys are happy with those outcomes. Few are given what they need to lessen the frequency of those outcomes.

35 posted on 10/06/2007 2:09:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: RatSlayer
That’s right, they can’t know what they’re dealing with which is why you can’t chain a person up and then walk off and leave them unsupervised, even if it’s just for a couple of minutes.

What you suggest is little more than a very expensive baby sitter service for the detained. An arrestee is not watched 24-7. The family knew the deceased was ill yet even they assumed she could travel. She seems to have strangled herself which is not related to "care" for oneself and is not remotely related to Undocumented Immigrants. It is human nature to blame someone. If the coroner determines the death a suicide accept the tragic fact. The police are simply not at fault.

57 posted on 10/07/2007 1:24:29 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: RatSlayer
That’s right, they can’t know what they’re dealing with which is why you can’t chain a person up and then walk off and leave them unsupervised, even if it’s just for a couple of minutes.

What you suggest is little more than a very expensive baby sitter service for the detained. An arrestee is not watched 24-7. The family knew the deceased was ill yet even they assumed she could travel. She seems to have strangled herself which is not related to "care" for oneself and is not remotely related to Undocumented Immigrants. It is human nature to blame someone. If the coroner determines the death a suicide accept the tragic fact. The police are simply not at fault.

58 posted on 10/07/2007 1:24:47 PM PDT by ricks_place
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