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Bush, Texas at odds over death case
Associated Press ^ | October 7,2007 | MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/07/2007 5:32:32 AM PDT by Clear Rivers

WASHINGTON - To put it bluntly, Texas wants President Bush to get out of the way of the state's plan to execute a Mexican for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.

Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the execution of Jose Ernesto Medellin in what has become a confusing test of presidential power that the Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.

The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.

That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.

"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.

Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.

Medellin was born in Mexico but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.

The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.

Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate.

Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.

Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial. Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; deathpenalty; horton; illegalimmigration; immigration; internationalcourt; internationallaw; josemedellin; justice; medellin; travesty; willie
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1 posted on 10/07/2007 5:32:36 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
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To: Clear Rivers

Willie Horton all over again?


2 posted on 10/07/2007 5:33:17 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
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To: Clear Rivers

The great state of Texas needs to tell Bush to go pound sand, in no uncertain words.


3 posted on 10/07/2007 5:36:37 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Clear Rivers
The Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena

There is a lot of info here.

4 posted on 10/07/2007 5:41:56 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Wow, thank you.


5 posted on 10/07/2007 5:45:30 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
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To: Scotsman will be Free

The Bush-Mexican connection is blatantly obvious. His attempts to roll the USA under the NAU with Mexico and Canada are blatantly obvious. Instead of confronting him for his blatant disloyalty, many people bury their heads under the carpet in fear of hillary, rather than to deal with both problems. The only question is how long can a country survive when most of its leadership has no fear of personal accountability.


6 posted on 10/07/2007 5:46:58 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider

I have long pondered that, and just what does the mexican secret service have on Bush. His motivation for how he has dealt with mexico has always been a mystery to me.


7 posted on 10/07/2007 5:49:54 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Clear Rivers

Jorge once again, doing what’s WRONG for americans....imagine how the families of these girls must feel?


8 posted on 10/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: csvset
One of the most horrific and brutal crimes I have ever read about.
Prayers for justice and the girls' families.
9 posted on 10/07/2007 5:54:27 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: rockabyebaby

Could the president read of the girl’s gang rape and murder and then look their parents in the eye and still defend the murderer?


10 posted on 10/07/2007 5:58:40 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
Could the president read of the girl’s gang rape and murder and then look their parents in the eye and still defend the murderer?

I'm thinking,,,,,hell yeah.

11 posted on 10/07/2007 5:59:42 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: Clear Rivers
Bush should butt out on this one. He’s acting like the International Court actually has legitimacy over the sovereign US Constitution. We don’t care what a bunch of socialist wimps think in the Hague. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and is subject to no other. This sets a bad precedent George, and undermines our sovereignty. I’m with the state of Texas on this one. SCOTUS better get this right... What’s up with you sucking up to the Mexicans anyway George?? First amnesty now this. Maybe the libtards should put impeachment back on the table..Talk about stupidity, and I voted for you twice
12 posted on 10/07/2007 6:00:28 AM PDT by skully (Worry if something that worked in a cartoon...works in real life!!!)
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To: Clear Rivers

how come he didn’t step in where the other executions were taking place in Texas? Move out of the way President Bush. You have done so much against us this year.


13 posted on 10/07/2007 6:00:40 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Scotsman will be Free

‘His motivation for dealing with Mexico’ — I always think the missing pieces are: We get oil from them; We do NOT want a revolution/ Marxist government happening down there.


14 posted on 10/07/2007 6:12:52 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Clear Rivers

President Bush considers himself a Christian, let him emulate Christ and take Medellin’s place in the death chamber, if he feels so strongly about sparing the life of this rapist and murderer.

Hello President Dick Cheney.

I could live with it.


15 posted on 10/07/2007 6:16:07 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Scotsman will be Free
....just what does the mexican secret service have on Bush.

His brother Jeb is married into one of the wealthiest Mexican families and hobnobs with the Mexican elite. There is much more, but if you understand Mexico and the Bushes blatant support of all things Mexico, then their tie to the Mexican leadership should answer more than does speculation about the Mexican secret service files on Bush. It is not illogical for one to speculate that the Bushes have direct relationships with that secret service. However, this is of no interest because they are wagging the dog with hillary (In this case, its wagging the hag who is a dog).

16 posted on 10/07/2007 6:19:58 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Clear Rivers

If this international law crap gets into the system, every psychopath on the planet will head this way.

Easy pickings and no death penalty.


17 posted on 10/07/2007 6:25:10 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Clear Rivers; Ladycalif
Thanks to President Bush, gang-rape and strangulation doesn't stop at the Rio Grande.

Do the country a favor and resign!

18 posted on 10/07/2007 6:42:38 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Clear Rivers

A new low for president Jorge as he leads a race to the bottom.


19 posted on 10/07/2007 6:56:59 AM PDT by Flintlock (-)
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To: ghostrider

Bush’s true colors are showing brightly -— he is a traitor. His whole WOT is a front to hid his connections to international interests. His failure to take any meaningful action to close our borders to illegal invaders, and now this... it is blatantly obvious.

I think I am about ready to buy one of those “Goodbye Bush” calendars I saw in WalMart the other day - it gloriously celebrates the countdown GW’s departure from office.

And the way things are starting to look with the GOP nomination, I am ready to tell the Republican Party to go pound sand with GW.


20 posted on 10/07/2007 7:05:10 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: DTogo
"Thanks to President Bush, gang-rape and strangulation doesn't stop at the Rio Grande."

President Bush needs to come before the American public and explain himself. I'd love to ask him one question. Mr. President, if Jenna and Barbara were orally, vaginally and anally gang raped by five men before being strangled with a belt and shoelaces, would your defense of the convicted illegal perpetrator be as strong? As an American father of two American girls I think he needs to answer that question.

21 posted on 10/07/2007 7:07:54 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Clear Rivers

I did vote for him and I was proud that he became president. I have come to believe based upon his actions towards Americans that he does not see himself as president of the US.


22 posted on 10/07/2007 7:08:13 AM PDT by cindyh
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To: ghostrider
if you understand Mexico and the Bushes blatant support of all things Mexico, then their tie to the Mexican leadership should answer more than does speculation about the Mexican secret service files on Bush.

I have always thought of President G. W. Bush as an Eastern liberal elitist projecting a "Good Old Boy" persona - he may drive a pickup truck but his greatest legislative achievements after all have been in cooperation with Ted Kennedy.

You thesis makes more sense though. Temperamentally the Bush's are more like members of the Mexican power elite than their American counterparts.

23 posted on 10/07/2007 7:15:20 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Clear Rivers
"but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate"

If I was arrested in a foreign country, my FIRST phone call would be to the American consulate. I would loudly insist on it. I could care less WHAT the local police tell me one way or the other.

If Jose "forgot" to do this, too bad.

24 posted on 10/07/2007 7:16:46 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Clear Rivers

It looks like this is Bush pushing the NWO for Pappie. Expect more of it.


25 posted on 10/07/2007 7:21:34 AM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Clear Rivers

Bush is yet again kissing the ass of the Mexican gov’t. That’s all this is really about.

Apart from the war on terror and lower taxes I am hard pressed to think of anything this guy has done that I agree with. But I’m confident that the GOP leadership will see to it that we get more spineless backstabbers in the future. Honestly, I have completely given up on the Republican party.


26 posted on 10/07/2007 7:35:08 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: Clear Rivers

This is OBCENE. That SOB can find another state to hang his fake hat.


27 posted on 10/07/2007 7:37:20 AM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner; stevie_d_64; TheMom; Larry Lucido; sit-rep; archy; hiredhand; SLB; ...

Texas Gov Ricky will probably pardon the peon per GW’s wishes. IMO were I one of the fathers of these young victims I’d want the killers on the streets where I could find them anyway. But that wouldn’t need to be had this murdering trash been tried fairly, been given one state and federal appeal to ensure they were truly guilty and then put to death within 6 months of that last appeal / review. All conducted within one calender year of the initial verdict.

Piss on the legal system. It’s broke. There’s no polidiot with the balls to fix it running for office. Street justice has it’s place if events such as this are the alternative. If the electoral, the executive and judicial branches of goobermint continue to shove such shit and shinola down the throats of good law abiding Americans....... they will come up with solutions those three branches of goobermint will not like at all.

Just my opinion of course........

Stay safe Ya’ll


28 posted on 10/07/2007 7:38:11 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I have always thought of President G. W. Bush as an Eastern liberal elitist projecting a "Good Old Boy" persona - he may drive a pickup truck but his greatest legislative achievements after all have been in cooperation with Ted Kennedy.

I think where I read that he bought his Texas ranch as an attempt to tie himself to the Reagan aura. The PR folks played it up like he had the Reagan flair for hard ranch work as a form of relaxation. It tells a lot that we haven't heard much since.

29 posted on 10/07/2007 7:50:40 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Clear Rivers
The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice

Good Lord. George must be drinkin again or else hit his head or something.
30 posted on 10/07/2007 8:04:56 AM PDT by festus (No matter how guilty you are a jury will probably get you off.)
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To: blaquebyrd

Until it happens to their own, it’s someone else’s problem.


31 posted on 10/07/2007 8:11:27 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Clear Rivers

Texas should tell Bush the scumbag’s been sent to Gitmo. Then the Prez will forget all about his “rights”.


32 posted on 10/07/2007 8:13:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Clear Rivers

jorge bush more concerned about mexican illegals than US citizens (dead or alive)!!!!

jorge get your head out of your culo!!!


33 posted on 10/07/2007 8:31:11 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Clear Rivers

Bush sounds a lot like a liberal these days.


34 posted on 10/07/2007 8:32:00 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Clear Rivers

Wow. What an embarrassing disappointment the pandering Bush has turned out to be.
I am sick of Bush. This is a disgrace.


35 posted on 10/07/2007 8:40:08 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Clear Rivers

Bush taking Mexico’s side on illegal alien criminals. Now there’s a surprise. /sarc


36 posted on 10/07/2007 8:45:19 AM PDT by Pelham ( "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?)
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To: Clear Rivers

37 posted on 10/07/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Clear Rivers
The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.

Nothing to see here, just move along. Let's go post on the "Pray for President Bush" thread or the "Day in the Life" thread. Ooh, look at the President's dog Barney! He's swuch a widdle sweetheart!

38 posted on 10/07/2007 8:50:47 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: csvset
Justices Consider Rights of Foreigners Power of International Court at Issue
By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 29, 2005
39 posted on 10/07/2007 8:56:16 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I agree. This makes no sense to me. None.


40 posted on 10/07/2007 9:01:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That’s because you still see Bush as the moral Christian he advertises himself to be. If you look past the facade at the pattern of his deeds you see someone more akin to John “Turncoat” Kerry.
41 posted on 10/07/2007 9:51:49 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Squantos
The Texas governor doesn't have the power to pardon death row inmates.

Texas Gov Ricky will probably pardon the peon per GW’s wishes.

42 posted on 10/07/2007 10:01:51 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Doom on me....my bad....commute the sentence was what I should have said.


43 posted on 10/07/2007 10:33:36 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
Tex guv has extremely limited power to do that. He can unilaterally grant a 30-day delay for an execution, but anything else must come from the Board of Pardons and Paroles.

Doom on me....my bad....commute the sentence was what I should have said.

44 posted on 10/07/2007 10:48:42 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Clear Rivers

I remember that crime. I was in Houston then. Put the scum to DEATH.


45 posted on 10/07/2007 10:49:46 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Ok I give up.....:o)

thanks for the lesson.

Stay safe !


46 posted on 10/07/2007 11:04:31 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Clear Rivers

He was sentenced to deasth in 1994, nearly 14 years ago...

why is he still breathing?

The two girls, age 14 and 16 are long dead...after a brutal gang-rape...

They were not given leniency...


47 posted on 10/07/2007 11:46:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

bttt


48 posted on 10/07/2007 3:03:44 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Clear Rivers

Here is a compromise, send their dead bodies back to Mexico for burial. ;)


49 posted on 10/07/2007 3:32:38 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: Clear Rivers

IF it was anyone but a Mexican Bush would let them fry. What is it with him? He is selling America down the river because of his love of Mexicans/Mexico. They need to tell Bush to kiss off and zap this murderer.


50 posted on 10/07/2007 3:36:58 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (It*s time for "Tea Party II" This time we*ll meet at the border and toss Mexicans back over it.)
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