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6 friends killed at party in Crandon (WI) - 1 hurt; hours later, SWAT team kills shooter
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 10/7/07 | RAQUEL RUTLEDGE

Posted on 10/07/2007 10:23:40 AM PDT by janetjanet998

Edited on 10/07/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Nate505

And there are people here and elsewhere who will find cops guilty no matter what. We will be a lot better off as a society when we are educated enough to look at the facts in individual cases and make judgements. Do you understand what happened in the Duke Lacrosse Rapist case?


61 posted on 10/07/2007 11:40:16 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: sgtyork
As we have learned over and over, the initial news reports of events are not reliable. I will watch the progress of this and see what the facts are after our journalist friends finish screwing up the initial reports and provide something like accuracy.

My experience doesn't alway agree with this. CNN is actually pretty accurate on breaking stories between 1 AM and 6 AM, before management is in to "properly" spin the story...

Of course, YMMV.

62 posted on 10/07/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: theFIRMbss

I like to sleep as well, but two of the people believed to be killed are close friends of my family and with my children. It was homecoming weekend in Crandon as well so people that are not the normal “party” crowd were out after the big win.

Police have not released any information to any of the families yet even though they are calling every 20 minutes. I dont know how long it will take to release information, but gosh I hope it is not much longer everyone is ready to break.


63 posted on 10/07/2007 11:41:54 AM PDT by NorthwoodsGirl
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To: sgtyork

“Do you understand what happened in the Duke Lacrosse Rapist case?”

The government tried to pin crimes on innocent people. Your point?


64 posted on 10/07/2007 11:43:22 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing

Most of us are waiting for more information before opining on whether the shootings could possibly have been justified. However, with the sheriff’s department saying that the suspect is considered “armed and dangerous”, I sort of doubt there’s any justification forthcoming. Usually if there’s any indication that a shooting may have been justified, the applicable law enforcement agency issues platitudes about not being able to speak to that issue due to the “ongoing investigation”. When a LEO-shooter’s own department is referring to him as a “suspect” who is “armed and dangerous”, I’ll take their word for it — since they have badges :-)


65 posted on 10/07/2007 11:44:21 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: sgtyork
We as a society have made the decision to accept people going “nuts and killing bunches of folks”. We let them all out of the state mental institutions in the sixties and now we have our intermittent attrocities.

*sigh* Yeah. The liberals viewed this as an act of kindness to release these lunatics from 'enforced' care.

They really aren't very good at foreseeing consequences are they?

Example: "Impeach Bush" = "I'm for President Cheney"...

66 posted on 10/07/2007 11:45:49 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: mrsjeades

Welcome to FR. Hope you’ll stick around beyond this story. The best thing about this forum is the huge web of on-the-ground reporters like you, providing information that hasn’t been sanitized by the mainstream media outlets. Debates can get a little rough-and-tumble around here, but don’t let it scare you off.


67 posted on 10/07/2007 11:47:09 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Most of us are waiting for more information before opining on whether the shootings could possibly have been justified”

Lets see here. He’s 21, one of the victims is an ex, there were 6 shot and he ran away afterwards. How much info do you need?


68 posted on 10/07/2007 11:47:26 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

‘Gun grabbers’? Where did I mention guns at all? Do you even know how to read?


69 posted on 10/07/2007 11:47:31 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: brytlea

Hey, it was just a hypothesis. Right underneeth that (you know, the part you didn’t quote) I said ‘or maybe not. Who knows.’


70 posted on 10/07/2007 11:48:55 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Nate505
Do you even know how to read?

No. But thanks for caring enough to ask.

71 posted on 10/07/2007 11:49:11 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: NorthwoodsGirl

Just heard that everybody in Crandon are being ordered to stay where they are (shelter in place?), and not discuss any details with anyone (gag order).


72 posted on 10/07/2007 11:49:15 AM PDT by null and void (I've embarrassed my species again...)
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To: theFIRMbss; mrsjeades

See post #48, from a newbie who’s familiar with the area. The house was right across from the police department, so it sounds like it was in a semi-commercial area.


73 posted on 10/07/2007 11:49:50 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

FYI


74 posted on 10/07/2007 11:50:27 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: mrsjeades

Thanks for the contribution to the forum. Great info.


75 posted on 10/07/2007 11:51:09 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you'd like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Off topic info for anyone in the area.

76 posted on 10/07/2007 11:51:14 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: sgtyork

Unfortunately in the case of many cops, even when the evidence is clearly against them they walk, get very reduced charges, or have the department they work in cover their crimes up.

So pardon me if I’m not confident the cops will get it done right.


77 posted on 10/07/2007 11:52:05 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: janetjanet998

Typically, a gunman on the loose in northern Wisconsin is a very temporary situation. Much of the population has experience with picking off large animals at long distances with a rifle and scope.


78 posted on 10/07/2007 11:52:17 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Wow, I’m impressed. You managed to not call me a gun grabber, druggie, or illegal alien lover. How do you manage....


79 posted on 10/07/2007 11:53:10 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: NorthwoodsGirl

No one here will “take the side” of this deputy. Often when there’s a shooting by a law enforcement officer, debates break out here between people who basically view all law enforcement officers as “jack-booted thugs” who run around brutalizing innocent citizens, and people who think we should withhold judgement until more facts are known, since police officers often have to make quick life-and-death decisions and their targets often aren’t as innocent as the target’s friends and relatives loudly start claiming. If a law enforcement officer gives a reason why he believes his shooting was justified, and his department isn’t saying otherwise, I’ll usually give him the benefit of the doubt. What’s going on here is clearly a whole different ballgame — this guy’s department is hunting for him, not defending him.


80 posted on 10/07/2007 11:56:04 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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