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To: BlackElk
Each man and woman is responsible foir his or her decisions.

To whom? I know of no one a woman has to answer to if she becomes pregnant. Conversely, men have to answer for her becoming pregnant BY LAW depending on the choice SHE makes.

When a man engages in non-contraceptive sex with a woman not his wife or with a woman who is his wife, he has exercised his reproductive choice.

This canard is a clear violation of equal protection. She does not make any such choice when engaging in sex.

She may or may not become pregnant. If she does, Roe vs. Wade gives her a choice to bear or not bear the child. If he does not want her to control that decision, he should not engage in the actions which may make her pregnant.

Spoken like a true despot. "If you have nothing to hide, you won't mind us searching your house."

The thing you people can't seem to get through your thick skulls is NO ONE but a woman can obtain an abortion in this country. No one else can force her to have it, and no one else can prevent her from getting it. She bears 100% of the responsibility for abortion.

You purposely conflate "getting pregnant" with "getting an abortion" because you don't have the stomach to admit the girl you're trying to "protect" is the one doing the killing, and the "protection" you're affording her is what encourages her to take the gamble.

However evil it may be to allow her to abort, it will not be an improved situation to allow the sissy posing as a man to whine that his inability to force the abortion of the child she has decided to carry somehow justifies his refusal to support the child.

Yes it will. Your inability to think of second and third order consequences does not mean they don't occur, and you can bet she'll learn them very quickly when she doesn't get privileged status.

We have laws to protect women from men forcing sex on them. We can't make laws protecting women from encouraging men to have sex with them. What we have to do is restore the balance that promoted chastity in civilized societies throughout our history. We have to present women with the very real possibility that if they don't "say no" to unworthy men they run the very real possibility of winding up pregnant and alone.

Granted, this isn't going to solve the problem of unwed pregnancy, but it will restore the societal dynamic to where it was before the problem started to mushroom.

It's bad enough for "do-gooders" to consign millions of people to poverty through welfare, but since Roe, they've actually become accessories to murder.

155 posted on 10/09/2007 7:28:48 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
How high are your court-ordered child support payments when you could not bully the mom into aborting the offspring. If you favor a right of men to order the murder of their offspring, you are trying to make the problem worse. I really don't care one bit about your imagined lack of "equal rights" to murder your offspring and I certainly do not welcome such homocidal notions or their holders having anything whatsoever to do with the pro-life movement. I really have no interest whatsoever in your ideas any more than I would have cared for Hitler's opinions of Jews or Pitchfork Ben Tillman's opinions of blacks.

We also cannot make laws requiring men to resist feminine enticements but we can and do make such men as do not resist pay their child support. And a good thing too.

156 posted on 10/10/2007 2:16:41 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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