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1 posted on 10/08/2007 10:19:51 AM PDT by Jean S
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After the 2000 election Hillary said they had to reach a younger base. The college kids weren’t getting the message. Now they are going after our children. Is this how Hitler started?


2 posted on 10/08/2007 10:25:01 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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And yet they continue to miss real health problems. All these docs are trained to do is push symptom hiding pills.


3 posted on 10/08/2007 10:26:06 AM PDT by driftdiver
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I’d find a new doc.


4 posted on 10/08/2007 10:26:31 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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Perfectly acceptable in the old USSR, in fact info from kids was one of the secret police’s favorite tactics for finding dissidents.


5 posted on 10/08/2007 10:30:52 AM PDT by Will88
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We used to be proud parents. Now, thanks to the AAP, we’re “persons of interest.”

Try being homeschoolers. Our pediatrician doesn't know what to make of us. Thought bubble: "They don't go to school, yet they're polite and articulate. They can even socialize with other people." As the kids have gotten older, he's been asking fewer pointed questions.

Little does he know what we think of him.

7 posted on 10/08/2007 10:35:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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I asked my niece about this the other day.she’s a pediatric
nurse in Massachusetts.She said that this is becoming more and more common and is SOP at the hospital where she works. She said when parents refuse to answer such questions the case is turned over to the social service department.Our conversation was interrupted so I didn’t get the whole story.
10 posted on 10/08/2007 10:42:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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Straight out of 1984.


11 posted on 10/08/2007 10:43:08 AM PDT by IronKros ( The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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Bear in mind that developing children internalize their surroundings as normal, no matter how bizarre or unacceptable they may seem to us. This is why abused children will keep silent for so long, not only out of fear, but also because they tend to interpret whatever happens to them as routine. Consequently, such questions can arguably be classified as child abuse.

But it goes deeper than this.

The basic motivation here is to destroy the family and replace it with the State. In Mao’s China, children were also encouraged to inform on any parents suspected of being “Capitalist Roaders.” Such was the nature of their Cultural Revolution.

This technique is very effective in its aim. As with the Chinese Communist Party of the 1970s, the Massachusetts state government is infested with Utopians who hold that ordinary parents cannot be trusted to raise children as well as institutions designed by the Illuminati.


12 posted on 10/08/2007 10:43:26 AM PDT by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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The American Academy of Pediatrics is evidently concerned about public inquiries into why they push pediatricians towards snooping about firearms, so they've prepared a list of 'talking points' for the benefit of any doctor who is questioned about it:

http://www.aap.org/moc/pressroom/speaking_points/firearms.cfm

Too bad that you have to be one of their registered pediatricians to access the page. If anyone can log in and post it here, it would be appreciated.

I'm sure that these 'talking points' are written in such a way that if everyone in the AAP follows the script, they won't inadvertantly expose themselves to being shills for the anti-gun Brady Campaign.

Personally, I think I would be justified in suing anyone who submitted some sort of report to the police on my firearms ownership.

15 posted on 10/08/2007 10:51:46 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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They know if you’ve got a gun, and where you keep it.

They also know how to use it.

18 posted on 10/08/2007 10:54:25 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Not only parents, but also neighbors:

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is proud to collaborate with PAX on the ASK Campaign and help promote its important message.”

“The ASK Campaign (Asking Saves Kids) provides a concrete solution to an indisputable problem. Over 40% of American homes with children have guns, many of them are kept unlocked and loaded, and every year thousands of children are killed or injured in shootings involving these guns. The ASK Campaign encourages parents to ask their neighbors if they have a gun in the home before sending their children over to play. The power of this campaign is that it enrolls all Americans concerned with the welfare of children, including gun owners, and makes a discussion about public safety and good parenting part of the solution to gun violence.”

“ASK Day
ASK Day—an annual national day of focus on the life-saving, public health message of the ASK (”Asking Saves Kids”) Campaign. The ASK Campaign is a public education collaboration between the AAP and PAX—an organization offering real solutions to gun violence, that urges parents to ask about guns where their children play. ASK Day comes as summer approaches and children will be out of school spending more time playing at friends’ houses.”

http://www.aap.org/advocacy/PAXASK.htm

Here’s the PAXUSA.org Board (usual lefty celebs):

http://paxusa.org/about/board.html

And here’s AAP’s own Web page on guns:

http://www.aap.org/family/tipp-firearms.htm


21 posted on 10/08/2007 10:58:48 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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Debbie is a mom from Uxbridge who was in the examination room when the pediatrician asked her 5-year-old, “Does Daddy own a gun?”

Our pediatrician asked US this several years ago. When all she got was an angry stare, she said it was so they could caution us to secure them in a safe way. So I told her "There are no unsecured guns in my home."

As my wife pointed out, if you stonewall then you run the risk of them submitting some damn report where CPS decides to drop in for an "investigation."

24 posted on 10/08/2007 11:10:42 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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This is not surprising. I have two boys, age 2 and 5 months. When we began bringing the first one to the pediatrician, two years ago, we were given a “well-baby” questionnaire, soliciting information including whether we keep a gun in the home, whether we use sunblock on the baby, etc. One question asks us to list the names of every person who lives in the house.

Like other privacy-invading questionnaires that I’ve seen, after getting “the goods” on you, they conclude with some rather anodyne questions, like “what do you like most about your child”, and “what are you concerned with the most about your child that you would like to discuss with the doctor”, to make the whole thing seem innocent.

I refuse to fill it out. I expect many parents fill out at least some of it, if not the entire thing.

My rule is I almost never fill out questionnaires, and even if I were inclined to fill out part of a questionnaire, if I find any questions that are offensive, I refuse to fill out the entire thing.

The ACLU goes blue in the face worrying about “government intrusion” into the affairs of people who are at least targeted as likely to be up to no good, but not a word about this wholesale gathering of data on parents who have done nothing to cast suspicion upon them. It did not occur to me that they might ask my kids directly when they get older.


25 posted on 10/08/2007 11:13:42 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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Never ever leave your kids alone with a doctor or a nurse.


27 posted on 10/08/2007 11:15:26 AM PDT by donna (Whoopi on Communism: “We haven’t given it enough time.”)
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All these questions were asked in private, without my wife’s knowledge or consent.

The doctor might be a pedophile.

Don't ever leave your kids alone with another adult.

28 posted on 10/08/2007 11:15:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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Wouldn’t medical privacy rights bar doctors from supplying information to the government. THen again, probably not since the parents aren’t the doctor’s patients.


30 posted on 10/08/2007 11:18:19 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Another place that fishing for information on parents to report to fearless leader occurs is in school? Are your children required to keep a journal for any class? When her children were in elementary school my friend was quizzed one night by her son. He asked quite innocently how much she and her husband drank each night. When she asked why he needed to know, she was told it was for his school journal and his teacher had suggested the question.
My friend told her son it was none of the teacher’s business and his journal was to be about what he did. Not what they did.

My friend and I concluded that journals were a rather clumsy attempt to spy on families by getting children to write down information that was none of the school’s damn business. I still stand by that conclusion.


32 posted on 10/08/2007 11:23:17 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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This is a very interesting program, and we have the same thing here in Florida. Or at least fundamentally it sounds the same. Our pediatricians ask much the same questions, including things like do you own a gun, or do you drink at all. Both of these are legal actions, protected under the law, but somehow they are important to the doctors. All health care providers also are required to report any suspicious injuries or marks on children, and this means a likely visit by the social workers and police, with a possible removal of your children to points and places unknown.

I think the dangers here are obvious to all, and the abuse of privacy are very worrisome. But, what should be considered is that it is not the left fighting for this, but the conservatives. Jeb Bush championed this, and so do all the Republicans here. Those I meet and work with have consistently argued that this is a necessary approach since without it we would be abandoning abused children to their unworthy parents.

First of all, regardless of how many abused kids this helps, I just don’t think we can say doing that means nobody has any rights. Wouldn’t hidden cameras in every house also save lives and help abused kids? What is stopping that but some idea of rights or privacy? This idea that all things are acceptable in the pursuit of helping abused kids just doesn’t work and cannot, in a free society, be defended.

But, does it even help any kids in the first place? Consider a man who drinks too much, beats his kids and smacks his wife around. If he breaks his daughter’s leg is there really any chance he will take his kids to the doctor under this plan? Haven’t we refrained from forcing confessors and psychiatrists from revealing privileged information just because doing so would mean people would stop seeking their aid? How would people react if the police starting doing breathalysers and searching the home of any woman who reported a rape, just in case she was hiding something. It might mean a sharp decrease in reports of rape, but I doubt it would either catch any criminals or help rape victims.

I don’t think we can avoid considering the doctor either. My doctor, who can barely speak English, likely couldn’t diagnose a case of athlete’s foot, much less really identify the likely cause of an injury to a child. This means several people I know have been investigated because their child fell out of a tree, off a bike or touched the iron. The only people safe under this program are the guilty, who lack the decency of providing needed care for their children, and they are the only people who needed the help. Just what is our goal in this, and who do we serve?

This is not, contrary to what some would say, a liberal idea. Yes, they have it, but so does the right, and that is the problem. There is no vote against this really, and both parties have agreed to share their support of such onerous measures. Conservatives must regain their consistent approach and begin opposing such blatant abuses by the government which serve nobody but themselves.


33 posted on 10/08/2007 11:39:02 AM PDT by cothrige (As government expands, liberty contracts. – Ronald W. Reagan)
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This reply to this need to be screamed:

This is why more and more people in America and the West in general are choosing not to have children.


34 posted on 10/08/2007 11:51:29 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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Maybe all patient visits and examinations by doctors should be videotaped, or at least all patients should fill out questionnaires after each visit to determine if any improper touching, suggestive behavior, or leering took place.

Doctors have definitely been found to be pedophiles and molesters, have used patient visits to instigate affairs. You just can’t too careful.


35 posted on 10/08/2007 11:56:44 AM PDT by Will88
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