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1 posted on 10/08/2007 11:20:59 AM PDT by rubeng
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bttt


2 posted on 10/08/2007 11:24:15 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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My Bullsh!t-o-meter is pegging. Written by somebody who hasn't got a third-grade-education on how the US system of government works.

Gates is in battle with Cheney over war policy? Who's Bush, chopped liver?

3 posted on 10/08/2007 11:27:29 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don’t trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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My Bullsh!t-o-meter is pegging. Written by somebody who hasn't got a third-grade-education on how the US system of government works.

Gates is in battle with Cheney over war policy? Who's Bush, chopped liver?

4 posted on 10/08/2007 11:27:42 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don’t trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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I’ve said for quite some time that we will not attack Iran, that we’ll have to deal with a nuclear-armed Iran in the foreseeable future. We do not have the will to take on Iran at this time.


5 posted on 10/08/2007 11:27:43 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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I’m not sure that I’m accepting this report at face value.


6 posted on 10/08/2007 11:27:58 AM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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Bruce Reidel, a former CIA Middle East officer, said: "Cheney's people know they can beat Condi.

And no doubt a Carter-ite.

10 posted on 10/08/2007 11:30:14 AM PDT by what's up
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Can’t we just hire the Russians to do it?


11 posted on 10/08/2007 11:30:30 AM PDT by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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LOL, VP Cheney has got to be chuckling over this one!
12 posted on 10/08/2007 11:31:07 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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Pentagon sources say Mr Gates is waging a subtle campaign to undermine the Cheney camp by encouraging the army's senior officers to speak frankly about the overstretch of forces, and the difficulty of fighting another war.

Hmmm. This doesn't seem to jibe with what General Petraeus has been saying lately about Iran.

18 posted on 10/08/2007 11:38:47 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Link below shows how rumor and disinformation eventually end up on the front page as fact:

http://icga.blogspot.com/2007/08/post-labor-day-product-rollout-war-with.html

20 posted on 10/08/2007 11:41:20 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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So Gates is encouraging mutiny in the ranks.


21 posted on 10/08/2007 11:42:16 AM PDT by balch3
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“Officials say Mr Gates’s strategy bore fruit when Admiral William Fallon, the head of US Central Command, charged with devising war plans for Iran, said last month that the “constant drumbeat of war” was not helpful.”

The same Admiral Fallon that tried to get Bush to NOT adopt the surge strategy offered by General Patraeus. With allies like that, it’s not saying much good about Gates.

Many military leaders worry more about the problems that may come from action than the problems that may accrue from inaction; too willing to hope for the best than to confront the worst head on. They lose wars.

Imagine the situation in Iraq 16 years ago, with Saddam on the ropes, Saddam not expecting a full scale invasion of Iraq, the Shia in open rebellion, tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers in the desert asking to be allowed to surrender, and the Iranian mullahs not have 15 more years of time for subversion in Iraq?

And who are Gates “foreign policy” friends - the “realists” Baker and Scowcroft.

And which situation in Iraq presented the most problems and the least hope - the one we were left with in 2003 by the Baker-Scowcroft realists that sought to avoid tackling the problems of there time in 1991 head on.

So, why should we not see what history tells us. Baker-Scowcroft-Gates seek to avoid the hard choices of their time, and leave conditions we pay for dearly later on. Unfortunately, later on, Iran WILL be better armed than was Saddam, and no one doubts that.


22 posted on 10/08/2007 11:42:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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manure


39 posted on 10/08/2007 12:55:01 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Scotty always told Kirk that the engines couldn’t handle the strain.


48 posted on 10/09/2007 5:55:33 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Sloppily written article!
54 posted on 10/09/2007 12:39:32 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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Source: Telegraph UK | 10/07/2007 | unknown

Now there’s a reputable source.

Go Darth Cheney!

56 posted on 10/09/2007 12:45:06 PM PDT by McGruff (If I can't have Cheney I guess Fred will have to do.)
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Sources?


61 posted on 10/15/2007 4:13:50 PM PDT by petitfour
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1st - UK Telegraph

2nd - How do they know?

3rd and most important - Maybe our guys are floating this concept...like a good cop/bad copy thing...which I like - keep up the GREAT work Gentlemen (Cheney & Gates)!

63 posted on 10/15/2007 4:18:08 PM PDT by NordP (Such tough choices ahead, I'm now a "middle of the road" voter--somewhere between RUSH & Savage ;-))
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And we know this is true because ‘anonymous sources’ say so? Nope don’t believe a word spoken by ‘anonymous sources’ anymore. Won’t step forward and identify, shut up.


64 posted on 10/15/2007 4:20:27 PM PDT by Tarpon
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