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Frost Family Draws Ire of Conservatives ( MSM Fights Back! Free Republic mentioned)
The Baltimore Sun ^ | Wednesday, October 10, 2007 | Matthew Hay Brown

Posted on 10/10/2007 4:42:36 AM PDT by kristinn

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The onslaught began over the weekend, a week after 12-year-old Graeme Frost delivered the Democrats' weekly radio address with a plea to Bush to sign the bill. A contributor to the conservative Web site Free Republic noted Graeme's enrollment in the private Park School and the sale of a smaller rowhouse on the Frosts' block for $485,000 this year and questioned whether the family should be taking advantage of the state program.

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The Frosts say the description of their family's circumstances now circulating is misleading. Halsey, they say, is a self-employed woodworker - he has no employees - while Bonnie works part time for a medical publishing firm. Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.

That would make the Frosts eligible for Maryland's Children's Health Program, which is open to families that earn no more than 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or $82,830 a year for a family of six.

The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns...

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Halsey Frost purchased the family home for $55,000 in 1990, according to city records, and refinanced in 2005, he says, to make improvements to accommodate the return of Graeme and Gemma from the hospital. The 1936 brick rowhouse, on a side street near Patterson Park, has an assessed value of $263,140.

Halsey Frost purchased a 1920 warehouse in East Baltimore for $160,000 in 1999, according to city records. It is assessed at $160,500. Frost says he is still paying off the mortgages on both properties.

The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say. In addition, they say, Gemma receives money from the city for special education made necessary by her injuries.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 110th; fraud; graemefrost; healthcare; icwhatudo; schip; socialism; subsidies
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Well, at least Freepers didn't post what was quoted from Redstate in the article. Yikes! Can't wait 'til goes Bill O'Reilly after them.......
1 posted on 10/10/2007 4:42:40 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
... it sounds like these folks are really on the take ...
2 posted on 10/10/2007 4:49:38 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: kristinn
I wonder how the Democrats happened to choose the Frosts?

Nancy Pelosi has strong Baltimore connections.

3 posted on 10/10/2007 4:49:47 AM PDT by syriacus (''You sit down. You've had your say, and now I'm going to have my say.'' H Dean to an Iowan, 1/2004)
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To: kristinn
Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.

and live in that neighborhood and send their kids to private school! LOL! Oh my, LOL!!!!

What does a private school cost these days? $100? LOL!

4 posted on 10/10/2007 4:52:06 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: kristinn
By Monday, Rush Limbaugh was discussing the family's earnings and assets on the air...

Well, how horrible of Rush to bring this poor family's finances into the public debate.

What? He didn't? They did it themselves. You don't say...

5 posted on 10/10/2007 4:52:58 AM PDT by TankerKC (32570 21R)
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To: kristinn
Bonnie, honey.....no one likes a CHEATER of the system....and it looks like you guys are CHEATERS who send your CHILD out to rebutt the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES!!!

Had you seen to it that you had BOUGHT insurance instead of asking your NEIGHBORS to pay for yours, this whole thing wouldn't have happened. You need to blame YOURSELVES for putting that bomb jacket on your kid and sending him out there with your lies.

It's not the kids fault...it's yours and Reid's and Pelosi's and that hideous FAMILIES USA!

6 posted on 10/10/2007 4:53:05 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: TankerKC

Yes, the FAMILY brought up how much they made...yeah $50,000....yeah right....unless he is such a horrible furniture and cabinet maker that he only brings in $30,000 a year, because the wife works also.


7 posted on 10/10/2007 4:55:23 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: kristinn
The Frosts are parasites sucking the economic lifeblood from the rest of us who do support ourselves. Why should I give a (you fill in the appropriate word) about their children? They have four. Did they get my permission before the squirted them out? Nope. Did they get any of the taxpayers’ permission? Nope. So why should the taxpayers support/subsidize them and their get?
8 posted on 10/10/2007 4:55:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: kristinn
"I think that the attack on this family is just breaking new ground and stooping to new lows in terms of what happens in Washington, D.C.," she told reporters. "I think it's a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against SCHIP that they attack a 12-year-old."

It burns me that the media lets her and the Democrats get away with this. They put him on national radio to lie about the program and to guilt people into voting the wrong way, and then she plays the victim when her tactic is questioned?

At least now we know that the "$1200" medical figure was for coverage now that the children are disabled, and NOT the amount it would have cost them to get the coverage when everybody was healthy.

I think end row houses sell for more than the ones in the middle, but I bet the assessment is low as well. Not that it matters what assets they have.

The more important thing, and therefore the thing being ignored by the media, is that this family already was covered under SCHIP, and would have been covered under Bush's proposal for re-authorization.

The only reason they don't have coverage at this moment is that the Democrats are using the Frosts as human sheilds, as hostages, denying them a poor-people's SCHIP program in order to blackmail people into allowing them to spend more money and cover more people.

If we played this game, we should find hard-working poor people who qualified under SCHIP and really needed it to do a press conference attacking the Democrats for using them as pawns to get their way. It would be even better if they had some grandmother who smoked who, under the Democrats plan, would have to choose between paying her higher taxes or buying prescription drugs.

9 posted on 10/10/2007 4:57:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kristinn
Liberal bloggers, meanwhile, were complaining that the Frosts were being "swift-boated."

Swift-boated? Did the Frosts claim to having been sent into Cambodia for Christmas in 1968 by President Nixon (who wasn't even President)?

10 posted on 10/10/2007 5:00:43 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: kristinn

It’s reported that Mrs. Frost works for a medical publishing firm. Does anyone know if this is a salaried position or is it mainly freelanced medical transcriptionist work that you do at home?


11 posted on 10/10/2007 5:04:29 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (All my posts represent my opinions.)
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To: JoeGar

Swift-boated is liberal speak for EXPOSED BY THE TRUTH!!


12 posted on 10/10/2007 5:05:17 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: syriacus

Her daddy was the mayor 40 years ago.


13 posted on 10/10/2007 5:06:21 AM PDT by Nextrush (Proudly uncommitted in the 2008 race for president for now)
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To: kristinn
Bonnie Frost was driving children Zeke, Graeme and Gemma in Baltimore County in December 2004 when the family SUV hit a patch of black ice and slammed into a tree. Graeme sustained a brain stem injury; Gemma suffered a cranial fracture.

From those injuries it looks like Bonnie didn't make sure Graeme and Gemma were wearing their seat belts.

14 posted on 10/10/2007 5:07:35 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: kristinn

I’m surprised the Sun printed this...


15 posted on 10/10/2007 5:08:50 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Suzy Quzy

One kitchen remodel can spend 30K on cabinets. Easy!


16 posted on 10/10/2007 5:09:56 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

I know....they are HIDING their INCOME it looks like.


17 posted on 10/10/2007 5:11:13 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Nextrush
Her daddy was the mayor 40 years ago.

And her brother was mayor, too.

18 posted on 10/10/2007 5:14:16 AM PDT by syriacus (''You sit down. You've had your say, and now I'm going to have my say.'' H Dean to an Iowan, 1/2004)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You picked up the best point in this article—that Bonnie RECENTLY got a quote for $1200/month for insurance—WITH all the pre-existing conditions they now have.

So, Bonnie, how much was it going to be per month BEFORE the accident? Or did you even shop it?


19 posted on 10/10/2007 5:16:31 AM PDT by jaybee
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To: Suzy Quzy
And, why didn’t their auto insurance pay for the children’s accident bills?

How does one pay the mortgages on 160,000, and whatever the refinance of their home on such a low income?

It looks like to me, that even as dumb as the dems are, they could have found a better poster boy. In fact, I know that they could have.

20 posted on 10/10/2007 5:16:35 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: TigersEye

ping


21 posted on 10/10/2007 5:17:31 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah & Muslims ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: bill1952

>> and live in that neighborhood <<

THAT neighborhood is no great place to live. It’s become more gentrified in the last couple of years, but I wouldn’t live there with my family.


22 posted on 10/10/2007 5:17:35 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: kristinn
Ann Coulter is proven right again ...... liberals don't feel you're allowed to respond to their lies if those lies are spoken/published by a victim, or someone in the victim's family.
Other examples are Cindy Sheehan, the Jersey Girls, Max Cleland, John (did I mention I served in Vietnam) Kerry, and essentially, any member of a minority group.
23 posted on 10/10/2007 5:18:48 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Coldwater Creek

What parent would put their kid out there....tell all about their finaces....be PROUD they are sucking off the taxpayers. and tell this stuff to all the WORLD??? Egads.


24 posted on 10/10/2007 5:19:38 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: syriacus

And on other threads, it was noted that the paternal grandfather owned a prominent Manhattan architecture firm (ie, it looks like the grandparents on both sides are probably wealthy, and the couple probably have trust fund income in addition to their low official salaries


25 posted on 10/10/2007 5:21:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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The Democrats publicized the Frosts' financial situation

BEFORE

The Democrats chastised other people who publicized the Frosts' financial situation


26 posted on 10/10/2007 5:22:30 AM PDT by syriacus (''You sit down. You've had your say, and now I'm going to have my say.'' H Dean to an Iowan, 1/2004)
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To: bill1952

Anyone who owns his own business who claims 50,000 probably has every restaurant, every mile, every piece of equipment, every phone, every piece of paper, etc., etc., coming off as a business expense.

In short, that’s 50,000 after most everything else has been paid, and that would certainly include the 160,000 dollar warehouse cost.


27 posted on 10/10/2007 5:22:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: kristinn
"The Frosts say the description of their family's circumstances now circulating is misleading.... The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns...

That says it all for me. These people need to be investigated by the Feds.

"The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say."

Well that vague answer answers nothing.

28 posted on 10/10/2007 5:23:58 AM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: Coldwater Creek

“How does one pay the mortgages on 160,000, and whatever the refinance of their home on such a low income?”

Maybe “Tax Credits” for each child?


29 posted on 10/10/2007 5:24:15 AM PDT by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: kristinn
Together, they say, they earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year.

The Frosts declined to show The Sun their 2006 income tax returns...

One of the "nice" things about being a landlord and having an LLC, of which you and your spouse are the only officers, is that you can make a moderate "income" and pay Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. up to a certain maximum, and then take all the rental revenue but not claim it as income and not pay those things.

IOW - The Frosts can show their meager W-2's but that is NOT the whole story. So their Form-1040's are off limits.

30 posted on 10/10/2007 5:24:52 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: libstripper

Wrong. You can sustain brain stem injuries even while wearing a seat belt - car stops while doing 60mph, head keeps travelling ... unless you know of a seat belt that restrains the head.

Remember, the back seats typically don’t have airbags.


31 posted on 10/10/2007 5:25:44 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

A mortgage on $160,000 is around $900-1,000 and up depending on what interest rate. So that is $1,800-2000 and up a month or $21,600-24,000 per year. Wow, no wonder they need the medical help. /sarc off


32 posted on 10/10/2007 5:27:23 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: xzins

AMEN.


33 posted on 10/10/2007 5:27:49 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: PapaBear3625

I wonder why the grandparents didn’t, at least, step in to help their naive children get a loan.


34 posted on 10/10/2007 5:28:02 AM PDT by syriacus (''You sit down. You've had your say, and now I'm going to have my say.'' H Dean to an Iowan, 1/2004)
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To: cinives

What about the cranial fracture?


35 posted on 10/10/2007 5:28:34 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: gopheraj

Five will get you ten that the Frosts == husband and wife == are trustfund babies.


36 posted on 10/10/2007 5:31:08 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: kristinn
Since the early 1990s, when Rush Limbaugh exposed the exaggerated claims about the size of the homeless problem promoted by left wing activists such as Mitch Snyder and the MSM, it has become more difficult for liberals to get away with the big lie. Before that time, exposes would be largely confined to small circulation weeklies like Human Events or newsletters like the one the Eagle Forum or Concerned Women for America produces. The rise of the Internet as a news source in the last decade has further weakened the MSM's stranglehold on the news.

The schemes to restore the so-called Fairness Doctrine and regulate the Internet are of key importance to the liberals. No doubt the faux conservatives on FR feel likewise, especially the ones who regularly bash NewsMax or World Net Daily and would rather rely on the centrist Fox News or the outright liberal networks and old line daily newspapers like The New York Times and the Washington Post.

37 posted on 10/10/2007 5:31:31 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: avacado

“”The four Frost children depend on financial aid to attend private school, the Frosts say.”
Well that vague answer answers nothing.”

- I believe that the tuition at the private school the two children attend is $20,000. per year, per child. Of course, the Frost’s may be having some government program cover this by claiming that the children’s car injuries are so severe that they need special education at a private school but, who knows?


38 posted on 10/10/2007 5:33:14 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2
The girl, Gemma, USED to go to the $20,000.00 a year schoold along with her brother, but since the accident she goes to another school, even more expensive paid for by taxpayers.

IF the family is only paying $500.00 a year for the boys $20,000.00 year school, then WHO is paying the rest??? The Grandparents?? A Benefactor?

39 posted on 10/10/2007 5:36:38 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: gopheraj

Them you have to add taxes and insurance, and probably other cost like association fee, etc.


40 posted on 10/10/2007 5:37:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: syriacus
I read that the grandparents were chipping in on the tuition.
41 posted on 10/10/2007 5:38:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: icwhatudo

Another article about this “firestorm”.


42 posted on 10/10/2007 5:38:38 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (DC scandals. Republicans address them, Democrats reelect them. (Tom De Lay 8/30/07))
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To: kristinn

Here we go again. Every time you raise unappealing (to the Left) facts, you’re accused of an attack.

On the other hand, it’s okay for Democrats to attack people with lies.


43 posted on 10/10/2007 5:38:41 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: JoeGar

swiftboating (adj.) 1. Telling the truth about a Democrat.


44 posted on 10/10/2007 5:40:08 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I think everyone is just GUESSING that the grandparents help pay the tuition.


45 posted on 10/10/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I read it yesterday, but you know not every word is reliable!


46 posted on 10/10/2007 5:44:44 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

Wondering that too? Their mortgage payments alone would be over $1000 a month. Add in expenses and I don’t see how they could be living here? Heating, cooling, insurance, car payments, food for 6...?


47 posted on 10/10/2007 5:46:39 AM PDT by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

It would make sense that they are paying.....they should have paid for health insurance FIRST!


48 posted on 10/10/2007 5:47:13 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Let’s see. $50k annually. Mortgage for $125 ? on commercial bldg,w taxes and ins comes to roughly $12,500. Mortgage on house (doesn’t say how much they refinanced), say $200k, comes to roughly $20k per year. Now, that leaves $17.5 for EVERYTHING ELSE.

Not likely. Sorry to say, if these figures are accurate, they would qualify for most state insurance programs. This is another “phony soldiers” soros tactic. Sorry for the father, but i’m pretty sure if anybody dug into his finances, we would find either tax or loan fraud, cuz these numbers don’t add up.


49 posted on 10/10/2007 5:48:19 AM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: prov1813man

No kidding!!! He’s got an ILLEGAL LLC!!!


50 posted on 10/10/2007 5:49:30 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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