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1 posted on 10/10/2007 8:12:49 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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PHILOSOPHY PING

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Hank

2 posted on 10/10/2007 8:14:08 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

Why not go back to Bishop Berkley?


3 posted on 10/10/2007 8:18:06 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Hank Kerchief

Firehammer? I want a cool last name like that.


4 posted on 10/10/2007 8:24:38 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

There’s only one problem; rationalism underpins atheism, and therefor enables socialism, communism, and things like death camps and medical experiments on humans like the Nazis.

The only savings of the human race is the Judeo-Christian ethic.


6 posted on 10/10/2007 8:34:56 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

ping


8 posted on 10/10/2007 8:36:35 AM PDT by joeystoy
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To: wideawake

Thought you might like this.


9 posted on 10/10/2007 8:36:51 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Hank Kerchief

Great post. thanks


11 posted on 10/10/2007 8:37:13 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Hank Kerchief

Great post. thanks


12 posted on 10/10/2007 8:37:17 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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bump for later read


14 posted on 10/10/2007 8:39:36 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Hank Kerchief

For Hume, “ideas” are like fuzzy pictures or representations of what we directly experience. The idea “dog” or “table” is just an incomplete “picture” of a dog or table recalled from memory.


For some reason this reminds me of Clinton and his famous “depends on what is is.” Words used to have very clear meanings.


18 posted on 10/10/2007 8:45:50 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

(It's Edmund Burke)

19 posted on 10/10/2007 8:50:22 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Hank Kerchief

later read


20 posted on 10/10/2007 9:18:06 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Hank Kerchief

Another untempered selective hit piece on Hume without any sense of perspective. Hume’s salient characteristic is no more “little confused fuzzy pictures” than America’s is slavery. Hume’s major effect, as evidenced by college philosophy curricula throughout the West for decades, is to further pull metaphysics out of Dark Age mysticism and into the realm of rational analysis. Someone needs to tell this author that Ayn Rand wasn’t born until after Hume died.

This author has a personality trait of Rand that is shared by many of the more suggestible Oists. With them it is never “X was wrong about Y because...”, but rather, “The monstrous X was deceitful or ignorant of the absurd Y which is the origin of all evil in the world...” It leaves one wondering if “Histrionicists” isn’t a better term for them.

This piece does at least give a reasonably concise summary of how Rand’s metaphysics differs from Hume’s, though I might have worded some things differently.


21 posted on 10/10/2007 9:29:16 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
For this reason, postmodernism is highly skeptical of explanations which claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person.

Sounds familiar. Teach the controversy.

23 posted on 10/10/2007 9:40:22 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Hank Kerchief

Put me on the philosophy list please. Thanks.

Hume also influenced Kant to give up his Rationalist ways, or as Kant said, to wake up from his dogmatic sleep. Kant perhaps was the greater influence on what eventually leads up to postmodernist thought.


24 posted on 10/10/2007 9:59:13 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Hank Kerchief

I knew Brit was an older gentleman, but wow....(chuckle)

He’s really holding up well.


26 posted on 10/10/2007 10:05:09 AM PDT by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hume's absurdly primitive epistemology made clear reason nearly impossible. All the rest of his philosophy is the result of this corrupt foundation.

It seems clear to me that Hume was what we now call a liberal. Perhaps he was the father of liberalism.

Hume's "philosophy" is literally the very opposite of learning. How ironic that it finds its most enthusiastic adherents within the walls of institutions of "higher learning".

31 posted on 10/10/2007 11:34:36 AM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: cornelis; Dumb_Ox

fyi


34 posted on 10/10/2007 12:01:13 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
An inferior analysis of Hume. The first passage Firehammer criticizes, in which Hume wisely advises us to (paraphrase) "wear life like a loose garment," is a widely held principle of conservatives, starting with Burke! I constantly remind myself of it whenever I'm tempted to take myself too seriously.

The rest of the piece consists of similar half-baked cheap shots. Firehammer's the kind of guy who doesn't realize that he lacks the intellectual candlepower to tackle the thought of men much greater than himself. It's also fascinating that he cites adamant, vigilant, remorseless, dyed-in-the-wool atheist Ayn Rand in an attack on atheist Hume. Rand's excessive, indeed extremist, inhuman and ultimately self-defeating, rationalism may have made her adverse to Hume, but that's Rand's problem, not Hume's.

Hume did undermine the foundations of metaphysics and epistemology. Neither Firehammer, armed with all the tools of argumentation, however feebly employed, that've been developed since Hume's day, nor anybody else has been able to restore the status quo ante. Kierkegaard came closest with the "leap of faith," but even that seems more and more naive to the ear of today's "serious" thinkers.

Plato is in pell-mell retreat, friends, and with him much of Christian philosophy. The Truth will continue to be served, but unsupported assertions presented as Truth - the backbone of religious dogma - have never been in deeper disrepute.

56 posted on 10/11/2007 1:28:54 PM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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