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1 posted on 10/12/2007 5:41:53 AM PDT by ShadowDancer
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"The measure would let riders pay a $100 annual fee to allow them to opt out of wearing a helmet. "

You've got to be kidding me. Paying up to the state makes it 'safe' which, i'm sure, was the aim of the congress criters for passing it in the first place.
2 posted on 10/12/2007 5:44:38 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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Good deal, we need the herd thinned a bit.


3 posted on 10/12/2007 5:44:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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The Governatrix has already said she’ll veto this. I’m surprised she’d let such a great tax-hike opportunity slip by, though...


4 posted on 10/12/2007 5:45:34 AM PDT by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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Should be:

House passes Bill to allow Idiots to Off themselves...........


6 posted on 10/12/2007 5:48:10 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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” at least $20,000 in personal injury health insurance.”
Nowhere near enough for a serious head injury! Someone with severe head trauma will end up on the public dole. Taxpayers will get screwed.


8 posted on 10/12/2007 5:49:29 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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bikers vote.

I would dare say owning a motorcycle is a good indicator of a super voter. (one who always votes)


9 posted on 10/12/2007 5:49:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Didn’t Michigan just increase their local taxes by 1/2 a billion or so? Looks like they need to crank up the bread and circuses act up there. Keep the people thinking they are actually managing the state rather than destroying it. How many jobs lost this week? But look, no helmets.

Democrats just don’t have a grasp on reality.


11 posted on 10/12/2007 5:52:27 AM PDT by Tarpon
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That’s sure to improve the economic climate of Michigan.


13 posted on 10/12/2007 5:56:09 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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...and the rest of us are fined if not wearing a seatbelt in a car. ???


17 posted on 10/12/2007 6:04:04 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Republican . . . for now.)
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As a survivor of a motorcycle accident, I feel qualified to speak on this matter.

I feel that there should be the freedom on whether or not to wear a helmet [mine saved my life, almost 10 years ago!], but it should NOT be required by the state to mandate it. This law was done by the insurance co.s so they could save on their bottom line.
Also the $100.00 fee is paid to the state to help fix the their failed money problems & policies. There can be no price paid for a life to be repaired & or lost.
There is a more ghoulish aspect to this as well. the amount of organs to be donated has gone down as well as the required helmet laws are enacted.

18 posted on 10/12/2007 6:04:18 AM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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“The measure would let riders pay a $100 annual fee to allow them to opt out of wearing a helmet.”

Just incredible!


24 posted on 10/12/2007 6:35:54 AM PDT by JZelle
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And Florida is considering the reinstatement of it’s helmet law.


25 posted on 10/12/2007 6:43:27 AM PDT by mazda77
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It sounds like a good idea if there is a mandatory organ donate card signed at the same time.


46 posted on 10/12/2007 7:36:51 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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The Michigan House responds to a shortage of organ doners.


51 posted on 10/12/2007 7:44:47 AM PDT by windsorknot
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As a Harley-riding friend told me, “A helmet is the difference between an open or closed casket service.”


55 posted on 10/12/2007 7:49:03 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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Good news for those waiting for organ donations. Bravo!


58 posted on 10/12/2007 7:50:55 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: ShadowDancer
I don't really view this as a personal freedom issue. That's because there are drivers of automobiles on the road as well, and they can be hurt by motorcycles in general, and especially helmetless riders (for liability reasons and criminal prosecutions).

Let me give you an analogy. Suppose gold-plating of cars became the thing to do for really rich people. Now suppose that when you got in a fender-bender with one of those cars, it'd cost $150,000 to fix. If enough people started gold-plating their cars, insurance rates would skyrocket, because what had been a $3,000 repair job would now be a $150,000 repair job. Speed limits would also probably be reduced.

How is a helmetless motorcycle any different? Yes, I know drivers have to exercise caution and there's a personal responsibility issue, but right now, if I get in a wreck with another normal car, the chance of injury is much much lower than if I get in a wreck with a motorcycle. And since no one is perfect, wrecks do happen. But if someone gets in a wreck with another car, their insurance rates go up a few hundred bucks per year, the drivers get rental cars for a few weeks, but the chances of injury or death are much less than with a motorcycle. There's no manslaughter charges brought in a normal wreck, but there is if you do the exact same thing against a motorcycle.

I feel the same way about really expensive cars as I do about motorcycles or really tiny cars that are unsafe: I don't really care if you go off and hit a tree, I care that some other normal motorist has a normal wreck and therefore has his life ruined because of it. If some CEO of a tech company is driving a McLaren to work, doesn't that sort of put everyone who might hit him at the risk of losing their house and all their assets because the repair bill will certainly be larger than what their insurance covers? With a motorcycle, not only are you puting your life on the line (and hey, that's your business), but you are also putting other drivers' livelihood on the line by there mere fact that by being on the road, you can subject them to much more liability than normal. If your brake light goes out, and a motorcycle rear-ends you and the guy wasn't wearing a helmet and he dies, are you really guilty of manslaughter?

A few years ago in Massachusetts, there was an old really frail lady in a car at a round-a-bout. Someone rear-ended that car going about 10 mph. The old lady died, and the driver was charged with manslaughter. I'm sorry, but even if the driver was at fault, those actions normally wouldn't result in manslaughter, and I thought that that case was very similar to the way motorcycles are.

Ijust think that roads are a shared entity, and you have the potential to subject people to massive liability.

The reason I care if people like Britney Spears drives her car with the baby on her lap isn't only for the baby, but also for the other drivers on the road who could cause serious injury from a minor accident. That's why I think car-seat laws are a good idea.

61 posted on 10/12/2007 8:09:52 AM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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I bike without a helmet, as do my kids. I've never even been on a motorcycle, though.

67 posted on 10/12/2007 9:39:26 AM PDT by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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