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To: wagglebee
More sophistry pretending to be "wisdom". NOTHING in Life is ever perfect. Adults understand that, children throw tempetantrums about it. This is just more of the usual "Do what I want or I will hold my breath until I turn blue" spoiled bratism of the Talk Radio generation.

Maybe someone better give Christian Conservatives a simply lesson in Civics.

JUDGES, not the President, will overturn Roe v Wade. It was Judges that imposed it, it will be Judges who overturn it.

IF Christian Conservatives actually cares about life, they would realize that the LAST thing he wants is 3 Hillary clones being appointed to the SC in the next 3 years. That would guarantee Roe V Wade NEVER being over turned in his life time.

Christian Conservatives acting like a hysteric petulant whiny child threatening to take his ball and go home because he cannot impose his dogma on everyone around him. They should grow up.

The solution is not to demand they get to impose their dogma on everyone around them or they will run and hide under their beds. The solution is to get mobilized and throw their support behind one of the candidates. This continual "whaaa, none of them are perfect" crying is stupid and counter productive.

12 posted on 10/13/2007 11:04:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: MNJohnnie
"They should grow up."

Coming from you, that's almost funny.

13 posted on 10/13/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by Rush4U
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To: MNJohnnie
IF Christian Conservatives actually cares about life, they would realize that the LAST thing he wants is 3 Hillary clones being appointed to the SC in the next 3 years. That would guarantee Roe V Wade NEVER being over turned in his life time.

You're right and that's all the more reason for the GOP to nominate a CONSERVATIVE because nominating Rooty Toot WILL GUARANTEE more "Hillary clones" on the court.

15 posted on 10/13/2007 11:13:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

The time for the “practicality” debate is AFTER the primary not before.

Has Guiliani won? Is he to be coronated or elected?

Has he EARNED an actual majority of the vote?
Has the race been fixed and nobody got the memo?

This is a time to vet the candidates.
This is a time to examine their positions.

If and when Guiliani loses the primary race, this entire debate becomes moot.


21 posted on 10/13/2007 11:27:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MNJohnnie
Christian Conservatives acting like a hysteric petulant whiny child

What part of "principles" and "convictions" and "integrity" do you not understand? Silly name calling like this does your cause no good.

39 posted on 10/13/2007 12:25:34 PM PDT by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: MNJohnnie

“JUDGES, not the President, will overturn Roe v Wade. It was Judges that imposed it, it will be Judges who overturn it.”

And who nominates judges?


49 posted on 10/13/2007 12:44:37 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: MNJohnnie

This rock-rib Conservative, Bible-believing Christian agrees with you. Religion is about absolutes, politics is about compromise. I will support Guiliani, or any other Republican the party nominates, as being infinately better than any of the neo-Marxist demagogues the Rat Party will nominate. Many Christians don’t just need a lesson in civics, they need a lesson in common sense.


84 posted on 10/13/2007 8:01:48 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: MNJohnnie
Christian Conservatives acting like a hysteric petulant whiny child threatening to take his ball and go home because he cannot impose his dogma on everyone around him. They should grow up.

What you seem to call dogma, I would call principles. When I, as a conservative Christian, am willing to cast a vote for someone who supports the "choice" of killing innocent children for the sake of political strategery- then what on earth is there left that is worth fighting for.

Being pro-life is one of the cornerstones of the Republican platform. A pro-choicer claiming to be Republican is like liberal claiming to be a legitimate FREEPer.

What you call being a petulant whining child is what I call being true to one's faith and principles.

Maybe you don't understand the concept of what actually being a Christian is. It is being a follower of Christ.

What principles do you have that you are unwilling to bend on? Other than hatred or fear of Hillary?

Most Christians understand that one day they will have to face their creator. I don't think He will be upset that we stayed home from the polls and allowed Hillary to be voted in as the President. I believe He will be and even now is heart-broken that Americans as a whole have seemed comfortable with telling Him that He has no place in our system. A far cry from the claim that our very foundation of our rights is based on HIM and HIS promises to us.

However, I will proudly be persectuted in His name as dogmatic, petulant, childish, or any other slur you want to hurl at me.

I will have to face my God one day and be ashamed of many things. But I will not have to face Him knowing that I played it "smart" and "safe" against the Democrats by literally casting a vote for the death of millions of innocent children.

If the Republican Party decides to abanodon Christians and their values, don't blame the Christians for not being there when the Republicans need them to win.

I know you want to fight the good fight for your party- but alienating one third of your base by calling them names is exactly what got the Republicans into this mess. Abondoning their principles is EXACTLY what made them lose their power. The power that WE- The People- GAVE them.

President Bush was able to win both elections because of the very people the GOP wants to scold.

How dare they appeal to our values to get our votes to get into office, and then once in office, return to belittle and scoff at us for those very same values.

I can handle losing an election because I stood by my principles, what I cannot accept or live with- is losing my principles.

Go ahead and wave your white flag to the MSM and the DC elitites. Like any good soldier, I will fight on for what I know is right. Even if my own fellow soldiers want to defect.

97 posted on 10/14/2007 7:44:59 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (When will the leftist elites finally award Bill Clinton with the Nobel "Piece" Prize?)
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To: MNJohnnie
I can not believe I actucally agree with you. That has never happened before, but this is dead on correct.

JUDGES, not the President, will overturn Roe v Wade. It was Judges that imposed it, it will be Judges who overturn it.

Personally I think Bush is a terrible president, but I voted for him twice for ONE REASON, Judges. And on that single issue he did not disappoint. I will most likely vote for the GOP nominee on that one issue again.

108 posted on 10/14/2007 1:32:52 PM PDT by jpsb
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