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Teachers Should Pack in Case Students are Attacked
Townhall ^ | October 13, 2007 | Doug Giles

Posted on 10/15/2007 3:55:00 AM PDT by tcostell

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To: tcostell
Another discussion sparked by someone shooting up the "Gun Free School Zone."

My sister's all for "gun-free zones." I told her that she should help to make her community a gun-free zone by putting a "gun-free home" sticker on her home. That ended the discussion quickly. But will she change her position? I doubt it.

You can't defeat wishful thinking. Yeah, teachers should carry. Will they? Not until the next American Beslan. And even then I'm not too sure.

21 posted on 10/15/2007 6:18:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Puppage
I didn't know WHAT your point was.

That's very astute of you, because I was asking a question, and not making "a point".

The question was, does anyone know whether teachers were in fact apt to carry a firearm (or not) prior to the Gun Free Zones Act of 1996.

I fail to see how that's confusing you. It's a simple enough question.

22 posted on 10/15/2007 6:20:21 AM PDT by angkor ("Hyeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser." Al Gore, South Park 10.06)
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To: DManA

Make the bad guys look for their victims, that will show them. Sounds like an Easter egg hunt.


23 posted on 10/15/2007 6:47:27 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: angkor
The "federal ban" under Clinton - otherwise known as the Gun Free Zones Act of 1996 - made it a federal felony to have/possess/carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of a public school.

How can anyone read this and not laugh?

24 posted on 10/15/2007 7:33:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: DManA
At my kids’ junior high all the students are assigned hiding places. They regularly practice huddling in closets.

The Mohammedans must be shaking in their boots.

Seriously, you should pass this info on to Rush, or World Net Daily, National Review, or some other conservative publication.

25 posted on 10/15/2007 7:35:53 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: angkor
The question was, does anyone know whether teachers were in fact apt to carry a firearm (or not) prior to the Gun Free Zones Act of 1996.

That was YOUR question, not mine

MY question was what did the federal ban under Clinton have to do with CCW? And, you answered it for me.

Does that settle the confusion? It was a simple enough question.

26 posted on 10/15/2007 7:42:27 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: tcostell

There are lots of good options available.

The best is arming all willing, able teachers and 18+ year old students.

But that option isn’t going to fly in many left-wing areas.

So other options include such things as:
1. non-lethal weapons such as bean-bag guns, pepper-spray, stun grenades, tasers, etc. for non-teaching administrators (e.g. principals, coaches, janitors) as well as bullet-proof vests available for those who will be confronting a shooter or suicide bomber

2. armed police/security on campus

3. arming at least one principal in each school (well, baby steps are better than no steps)

4. patroling campuses with guard dogs

5. school video links to police and security agencies

6. dead-bolt locks on classroom hall doors combined with emergency exit access doors/windows out of classrooms via non-hallway paths

7. Cell phones and bank-style alarm buttons to police/security

Also, it’s worth remembering that as schools become more protected that these murderers are going to gradually shift toward less-protected targets such as day care centers, fast food restaurants, hospitals, elder-care facilities, etc.


27 posted on 10/15/2007 7:55:53 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Nextrush
"The crazy killer students, not to mention the terrorists, don’t give a rip about “gun free school zones.”

The people who care about "gun free zones" are the same brainiacs who can't explain why there are no shootings at gun ranges and police stations.

28 posted on 10/15/2007 8:05:32 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Puppage
Does that settle the confusion? It was a simple enough question.

Ummmm.... errrr... I suppose so. (????)

Whatever.

29 posted on 10/15/2007 8:06:45 AM PDT by angkor ("Hyeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser." Al Gore, South Park 10.06)
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To: Aquinasfan
How can anyone read this and not laugh?

Why don't you expand on that.

30 posted on 10/15/2007 8:08:26 AM PDT by angkor ("Hyeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser." Al Gore, South Park 10.06)
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To: DManA
At my kids’ junior high all the students are assigned hiding places. They regularly practice huddling in closets.

Sheesh....and if the perp is one of those students they'll know exactly where to go to find their victims. The inmates truly ARE running the asylum!

31 posted on 10/15/2007 8:32:00 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: tcostell

Works in Israel.


32 posted on 10/15/2007 8:42:09 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: angkor
Why don't you expand on that.

Sorry, I was referring to the language of the legislation.

33 posted on 10/15/2007 10:31:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
I would vote for trying taser guns first.

When someone is trying to KILL YOU, you don't dork around with half-assed solutions like single-shot, don't-miss-or-he'll-kill-you-which-is-what-he's-trying-to-do-anyway, not-as-reliable-as-you-think tazers.

Let's put it this way:
I got zapped, voluntarily, with a stun gun once. I promptly emptied 17 9mm rounds into a target - accurately.
Needless to say, I don't put much stock in these zappers.

34 posted on 10/15/2007 4:18:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: DManA
At my kids’ junior high all the students are assigned hiding places. They regularly practice huddling in closets.

So, if the shooter attends that school, they'll know exactly where to find everybody.

35 posted on 10/16/2007 1:37:50 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Nextrush

Late 1970’s a quiet little highschool erupted into a major race riot as kids getting off the buses entered the school with knives, chains, and guns.

I was in 8th grade at the private Catholic School just down the road. We went into lockdown as police, firetrucks, and ambulances roared by. Mom came to get us out of school.

The next 4 years I spent in that same public school. We had more than several plain clothes officer with guns in the school all the time. I can’t think of any teacher I would have even suspected of carrying a gun. Principal...yes, not a teacher though.


36 posted on 10/16/2007 1:49:55 AM PDT by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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