Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Guns take pride of place in US family values [Barf Alert]
The Observer/Guardian (UK) ^ | 10/14/07 | Paul Harris

Posted on 10/15/2007 8:03:21 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Despite the spiralling rise in the daily number of shootings in the US, its arms culture has a firmer grip than ever, reports Paul Harris in New York.

Shirley Katz is not afraid to fight for her rights. Last week the schoolteacher, 44, went to court in her home town of Medford, Oregon, to protest at her working conditions. Specifically she is outraged she cannot carry a handgun into class. 'I know it is my right to carry that gun,' she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at observer.guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last

1 posted on 10/15/2007 8:03:26 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

(Trying to control my language)

Just another stinking condescending superior Brit carrying on their historical contempt for us `bloody rebels’.

The U.K. is overrun with surveillance cameras, Muslims, and thought police. Perfectly lovely place in which to live.

Farewell, perfidious Albion. We Yanks don’t give a blue damn what you helpless disarmed Limies think. Enjoy your slavery.


2 posted on 10/15/2007 8:16:16 PM PDT by elcid1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim; Joe Brower

3 posted on 10/15/2007 8:25:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

An armed man is a citizen...an unarmed man is a subject.


4 posted on 10/15/2007 8:35:12 PM PDT by ripnbang ("the difference between a welfare state and totalitarianism is a matter of time")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: elcid1970

And yet the limes have the highest violent crime rate of the industrialized nations.....

Go figure.


5 posted on 10/15/2007 8:39:44 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Ah, the English. Never reluctant to tell others how to live. It’s curious that we don’t see similar articles by US writers weighing in on the shortcomings of British culture.


6 posted on 10/15/2007 8:40:16 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

7 posted on 10/15/2007 8:51:32 PM PDT by VR-21
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

It must feel great to live in the UK where the rights of scum to kill you always outweighs your rights to defend yourself.


8 posted on 10/15/2007 9:10:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elcid1970

You did very well controlling your language. In fact I think it was dead on. With a bull’s eye.


9 posted on 10/15/2007 9:32:58 PM PDT by hotshu (Rush is RIGHT! The left is WRONG!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
Could not read much past Guns, and the violence their possessors inflict,...". Just another liberal bashing guns because it 'feels good'.

At the risk of injecting a little critical thinking into the issue, I could not help but notice that the list of 'shooting sprees' printed at the end all occurred in places and times where guns are not allowed. No mention of the guns and their possessors causing trouble where they are highly concentrated, like gun shows, target ranges, shooting matched or police departments.

What a hoplophobic moron.

10 posted on 10/15/2007 9:36:56 PM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elcid1970
The U.K. is overrun with surveillance cameras, Muslims, and thought police. Perfectly lovely place in which to live.

Not to mention violent crime! The statistics are alarming not to mention the fact that you are more likely to go to jail defending yourself than if commit a violent act especially if the criminal is part of a "protected" group. It is not coincidence that this parallels communist rise of power in England. Just like here they control the media and education only worse.

11 posted on 10/15/2007 9:49:32 PM PDT by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Trailerpark Badass
It’s curious that we don’t see similar articles by US writers weighing in on the shortcomings of British culture.

I guess you missed the 312 postings today of the article on British National Health Service dentistry (or lack thereof).

12 posted on 10/15/2007 10:04:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

Go pull a tooth...


13 posted on 10/15/2007 11:25:01 PM PDT by ltc8k6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim

I love guns. Guns freed my country from British oppression.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 12:04:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Hillary can tap Hsus but she can't tuna fish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ltc8k6

“Go pull a tooth”

Heh, heh!

If that story surfaced here, can you imagine the outcry from the HillaryCare crowd?

;^)


15 posted on 10/16/2007 3:15:22 AM PDT by elcid1970
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: kiriath_jearim
The historical ignorance displayed a few paragraphs on down makes me suspect that Mr. Harris probably fabricated all of his "statistics", or is citing fabricators:

The frontier society, they say, was populated by gun-wielding settlers who used weapons to feed their families and ward off hostile bandits and Indians. America was thus born with a gun in its hand. Unfortunately much of this history is simply myth. The vast majority of settlers were farmers, not fighters. The task of killing Indians was left to the military and - most effectively - European diseases. Guns in colonial times were much rarer than often thought, not least because they were so expensive that few settlers could afford them. Indeed one study of early gun homicides showed that a musket was as likely to be used as club to beat someone to death as actually fired.

That appears to be pure Bellesilesian revisionism. Since Mr. Bellesiles has been shown to be a hoaxster of the first water, citing his works doesn't seem to be an intellectually honest activity (of course, Mr. Harris doesn't actually make a single clear reference to sources in this ridiculous article, so it's only my assumption that he is using Bellesiles.)

For what it is worth, the frontier began on the East Coast. Indian wars were fought from the Carolinas to New England in the colonial period. Perhaps names such as the Yemassee don't mean much to a modern day Brit, but 300 years ago, the Yemassee War was bloody reality to settlers in the Carolinas. By that point in 1715, the Indians themselves were often armed with firearms.

16 posted on 10/16/2007 4:15:37 AM PDT by snowsislander
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Trailerpark Badass; KarlInOhio
It’s curious that we don’t see similar articles by US writers weighing in on the shortcomings of British culture.

"I guess you missed the 312 postings today of the article on British National Health Service dentistry (or lack thereof)."

....or, for that matter, the many other threads in the U.K. topic section of this forum, in which American commentators and Freepers daily and copiously convey their views on British domestic affairs: often with understanding and insight, but all to often, I'm sorry to say, with ignorance and arrogance. By contrast, and as far as I've been able to observe, it's unusual for British Freepers to comment on U.S. domestic matters.

17 posted on 10/16/2007 5:18:19 AM PDT by Winniesboy (Caution: Occam's razor carelessly applied can cut your own throat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
"Ah, the English. Never reluctant to tell others how to live."

Good observation, although it's more a penchant of the political left, regardless of nationality. Look to our own shores for plenty of thinkers in like kind, as well as everywhere else.

This article is just more typical whining from the beleaguered sheep, who cringer before the reality of the wolf and the necessity for the sheepdog.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

18 posted on 10/16/2007 7:31:58 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower

Thnx for the ping


19 posted on 10/16/2007 7:36:55 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
Actually, it looks to me as though the writer of this piece of nonsense has been brainwashed by the Brady Bunch!

I love the way he throws out statistics and numbers--with no reference to sources.

20 posted on 10/16/2007 7:54:06 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-25 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson