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Meet the New Frosts, Same as the Old Frosts (Dems New SCHIP Family HAD Health Ins!)
National Review Online ^ | October 16, 2007 | Mark Hemingway

Posted on 10/16/2007 5:39:39 AM PDT by icwhatudo

On the conference call, Dara admitted to me that she and Brian had been talking about having children since before they were married. She further admitted that after they were married she voluntarily left a job at a country club that had good health insurance, because the situation was “unmanageable.” From there she took a job at a restaurant with no health insurance, and the couple went on to have a baby anyway, presuming that others would pay for it and certainly long before they knew their daughter would have heart defect that probably cost the gross national product of Burkina Faso to fix. But not knowing about future health problems is the reason we have insurance in the first place.

Now, pause for a second. Are you reading this at your computer at work, in a job that you don’t particularly care for or even downright detest because you have a spouse and child that depend on you? You wouldn’t be the first or last person to make that choice.

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Another family making bad choices.
1 posted on 10/16/2007 5:39:41 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

After reading all this stuff about how stupid the ‘adults’ in that family are, (well maybe not, since they convinced the Govt to take care of their medical needs) - I have to wonder who paid them and how much, to use their son for political gain.

Those people seem to respond to the promise of freebies - so who is paying them and how much? And is it legal for a political party to do that?


2 posted on 10/16/2007 5:45:57 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: icwhatudo

You at it again?..........GOOD!...........................


3 posted on 10/16/2007 5:46:13 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: icwhatudo

Bad choices have consequences. I can almost guarantee they each had cell phones, cable/sattelite tv, internet access, 2 cars, ate out at restaurants a few days a week, possibly smoked, drank alcoholic beverages at least on weekends etc. It’s all about making good choices with the money you earn, not necessarily how much you earn.


4 posted on 10/16/2007 5:46:26 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Conservative 1st, republican sometime)
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To: icwhatudo
She further admitted that after they were married she voluntarily left a job at a country club that had good health insurance, because the situation was “unmanageable.” From there she took a job at a restaurant with no health insurance, and the couple went on to have a baby anyway, presuming that others would pay for it and certainly long before they knew their daughter would have heart defect that probably cost the gross national product of Burkina Faso to fix.

As a pastor, I've known many families where one of the wage-earners has gone the waitress route. It is a tough, thankless job in many, many cases, and there seems to be an endless array of strange ones as managers. It has extremely high turnover, and I'd be cautious with any case I'd try to make about conservatism based on that industry.

5 posted on 10/16/2007 5:47:12 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins

geesh....no one is saying anything about a waitress job is a BAD job...it isn’t....They DECIDED to get pregnant WITHOUT health insurance!! WHO did they THINK was gonna pay?? Sadly, I’ll bet they thought YOU and I!


6 posted on 10/16/2007 5:59:27 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: icwhatudo

You know what, you don’t have babies until you are in a position to provide for the babies. But apparantly the Frosts didn’t think that way and neiter do about 75% of the replicating organisms in this nation. Heedless, thinking only with their reproductive parts, making their problems someone else’s problem.


7 posted on 10/16/2007 6:00:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: xzins
"I've known many families where one of the wage-earners has gone the waitress route."

The irony is that those who want to DEPEND on the Gubmint to provide for their family NEEDS, wind up destroying any chance of having a nuclear, single income family with a stay-at-home-Mom, due to the amount of TAXES they are forced to pay, so that OTHER like-minded entitlements-dependent liberals can ALSO live off others' income and taxes to provide for THEM.

There's no end to the foolishness of those who see socialism as the "answer".

8 posted on 10/16/2007 6:00:53 AM PDT by traditional1 (GO TRIBE !)
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To: yldstrk

The left has instilled this mentality into people.

The heart and soul of “liberalism” is using government to make responsible people pay for the consequences of the irresponsible choices of irresponsible people.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 6:02:46 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I know it’s a surprise to some, but many, many times people don’t “decide” to get pregnant.

And you know exactly what I mean. :>)

My point remains - tread cautiously on this one. In fact, EXPECT a set-up.


10 posted on 10/16/2007 6:04:15 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins

How about this case for conservatism, pastor:

I’ll understand that paying for a stranger’s health care is a good idea when I see those who are seeking a mandatory plan, do it themselves voluntarily.

No, I don’t personally do this either, but I do contribute to my church, and I don’t advocate using force to make others do it.


11 posted on 10/16/2007 6:05:38 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: icwhatudo

Unless I missed it, I thought the article said that they were covered by existing programs. No mention of the dad having health insurance.

Could be a dangerous headline to run with.


12 posted on 10/16/2007 6:06:35 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: icwhatudo
Paul Krugman wrote an editorial this weekend attacking "Evil Bloggers" that were "raking this poor family over the coals".

It's nice to be a part of the VRWC. And, As Far As I'm Concerned, this family brought it all on themselves.

13 posted on 10/16/2007 6:06:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: traditional1

Those I’ve known who’ve gone the 2 wage-earner route usually don’t really help the family finances. The best than can do is 1.5 wage earners.

The child care, gas, lunches, etc., kill the income that they supposedly are making.

The 1.5 wage earners can at least plan their schedules so that they are not paying so much for child care.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 6:07:13 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: icwhatudo

Ok I get it now. They HAD health insurance and she quit the job.


15 posted on 10/16/2007 6:07:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: xzins

I used to be a waitress, and I loved it. Thankless??? No way. People asked for me when they came in to eat. Got LOTS of good feedback. Good waiters/resses often get lots of positive strokes and good money. Oh yeah, I made great money too, at a breakfast place (Perkins Rest.)


16 posted on 10/16/2007 6:13:13 AM PDT by Shimmer (It's amazing how many ills and hurts are cured by the elixir of time.)
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To: xzins
The child care, gas, lunches, etc., kill the income that they supposedly are making.

You forget one of the biggest additional expenses: TAXES

17 posted on 10/16/2007 6:14:33 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB; Suzy Quzy

My words about being cautious with this family do not mean that I support government health care.

I think the best health care should go to those who volunteer for our armed forces. We have promised them deferred income to include education, mortgage insurance, and health care. That way we don’t pay them as much up front, but in exchange for their service, sometimes with extreme danger and hardship, but in later years we fulfill our deferred payment promise.

In Revolutionary times they paid with land.


18 posted on 10/16/2007 6:16:48 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: MrB

Yep, taxes (SS, Med, etc) take a chunk.

Most don’t make enough to pay income tax, and if they have children, the EIC brings them a huge return that probably balances out what they’ve put into SS & Med.


19 posted on 10/16/2007 6:18:46 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: icwhatudo
...Dara and Brian Wilkerson are real poster children — for irresponsible decisions.

Good article by Mark Hemmingway. Thanks for posting.

20 posted on 10/16/2007 6:20:10 AM PDT by PGalt
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