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Tough, Sad and Smart (Bill Cosby and Harvardís Dr. Alvin Poussaint on Black self-destruction)
New York Times ^ | 16 October 2007 | Bob Herbert

Posted on 10/16/2007 7:45:19 AM PDT by shrinkermd

They are a longtime odd couple, Bill Cosby and Harvard’s Dr. Alvin Poussaint, and their latest campaign is nothing less than an effort to save the soul of black America...

...There is a sense of deep sadness and loss — grief — evident in both men over the tragedy that has befallen so many blacks in America. They were on “Meet the Press” for the entire hour Sunday, talking about their new book, a cri de coeur against the forces of self-sabotage titled, “Come On, People: On the Path From Victims to Victors.”

There weren’t many laughs over the course of the hour. Speaking about the epidemic of fatherlessness in black families, Mr. Cosby imagined a young fatherless child thinking: “Somewhere in my life a person called my father has not shown up, and I feel very sad about this because I don’t know if I’m ugly — I don’t know what the reason is.”

Dr. Poussaint, referring to boys who get into trouble, added: “I think a lot of these males kind of have a father hunger and actually grieve that they don’t have a father. And I think later a lot of that turns into anger. ‘Why aren’t you with me? Why don’t you care about me?’ ”

The absence of fathers, and the resultant feelings of abandonment felt by boys and girls, inevitably affect the children’s sense of self-worth, he said.

It’s a tough book. Victimhood is cast as the enemy. Defeat, failure and hopelessness are not to be tolerated.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: africanamerican; billcosby; destruction; self

1 posted on 10/16/2007 7:45:26 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Can government do the work of God (Charity)?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts (”Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7). Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of “Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit.”

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government “aid” to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do “God’s Work.”

If a government takes a portion of a man’s wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman’s property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil? When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly? If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people’s tax money and does “God Work” with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an “Ungodly” man?

Today, the US government (federal, state and local) takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person’s paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers. The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God’s work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the “right things?”

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outlined in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the “Great Society” programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to “help families and children” or “buy votes” depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960’s, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970’s there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though “poor” by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The “Great Society” programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world results are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the “Great Society” programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the “Works of God” that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government “guarantees” that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave “government help” for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The “worker’s paradises” of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do “God’s Work.”

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is “Who should help those in need?” I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting. Government help should be the last resort. “Charity,” enforced by the government, is not charity, it is extortion. “Charity,” delivered by the government, is not charity, it is a bribe which corrupts both the giver and the receiver.

Very Sincerely,

2banana


2 posted on 10/16/2007 7:48:01 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: shrinkermd
FR: "Amen!"

Jessie and Al: (Crickets)

3 posted on 10/16/2007 7:48:54 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: shrinkermd
“I think a lot of these males kind of have a father hunger and actually grieve that they don’t have a father. And I think later a lot of that turns into anger. ‘Why aren’t you with me? Why don’t you care about me?’ ”

That, or they're just lousy little sh*ts.

4 posted on 10/16/2007 7:51:49 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: shrinkermd

bump


5 posted on 10/16/2007 7:52:39 AM PDT by VOA
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To: shrinkermd
The first sentence should read

They are a longtime odd couple, Dr. Bill Cosby and Harvard’s Dr. Alvin Poussaint,

6 posted on 10/16/2007 7:54:46 AM PDT by DManA
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To: martin_fierro

A local radio guy here calls them “Feral Youth”.


7 posted on 10/16/2007 7:55:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
“I think a lot of these males kind of have a father hunger and actually grieve that they don’t have a father. And I think later a lot of that turns into anger. ‘Why aren’t you with me? Why don’t you care about me?’

It's all the fault of The Man," reports Nancy Pelocsi.

8 posted on 10/16/2007 8:00:59 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: shrinkermd
The democrat party has utterly destroyed black culture for 170 years. The democrats regard blacks as their property and as sub-humans suitable only for exploitation. The democrat party even fought a civil war to keep blacks enslaved.

Dr. Bill Cosby and Harvard’s Dr. Alvin Poussaint sound like every Republican on this subject, whether or not they realize it.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 8:06:50 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is self administered by its ignorant victims)
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To: shrinkermd
Victimhood is cast as the enemy. Defeat, failure and hopelessness are not to be tolerated.

This is anathema to Revun Jessuh and Al Sharptongue. Without victimhood and a culture of failure (and its concomitant entitlement), they are out of business.

Of course, as they fail, black culture succeeds.

10 posted on 10/16/2007 8:07:47 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DManA
"A local radio guy here calls them “Feral Youth”."

Sadly, that's exactly what they are.

Uncivilized, unsocialized, and operating on pure instinct.

11 posted on 10/16/2007 8:09:02 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: shrinkermd
I work with an A-A male that has fathered 5 children with 4 different women. He has never married any of these women to avoid having to actually be financially responsible for the children. And he is proud of this (needless to say, this guy is a flaming jerk). He pretty much hits on anything that is female and has a pulse. And I'm sure he is not the only male in the black community that has this approach to life.

Mr. Cosby and his sidekick have their work cut out for them.

13 posted on 10/16/2007 8:15:31 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Learning the Mexican Hat Dance.)
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To: EEDUDE

Children having children. If you want to see the result of this culture take a trip to Jamaica, no one knows their father there. It is something of standing joke among the Jmen.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 8:15:43 AM PDT by Jigajog
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To: shrinkermd

15 posted on 10/16/2007 8:28:04 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: shrinkermd
Good message. Sadly, back in the 1960s when Pat Moyniham warned that the Great Society would bring us to exactly this point, that message was rejected. Harboring grievances, building voting blocks and feathering more bureaucratic nests was far more important to the establishment than the simple common sense message that lower class black family structure was already fragile and the welfare society would destroy what was little remained rather than encourage stable family life.

The race hucksters, limo liberal academics and permanent government bureaucrats won the battle, and black kids are still paying the price.

16 posted on 10/16/2007 8:31:16 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: shrinkermd
Good message. Sadly, back in the 1960s when Pat Moyniham warned that the Great Society would bring us to exactly this point, that message was rejected. Harboring grievances, building voting blocks and feathering more bureaucratic nests was far more important to the establishment than the simple common sense message that lower class black family structure was already fragile and the welfare society would destroy what was little remained rather than encourage stable family life.

The race hucksters, limo liberal academics and permanent government bureaucrats won the battle, and black kids are still paying the price.

17 posted on 10/16/2007 8:31:25 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Major Matt Mason
I work with a white guy who has three children by three different women and a fourth on the way. He has to pay child support, but there's a limit on what we can deduct from his check. It's not near enough to pay for all those kids. What I don't understand is why, knowing what he's on the hook for already, he would get another woman pregnant? Maybe he doesn't know what causes it?

Carolyn

18 posted on 10/16/2007 8:31:37 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: shrinkermd

I applaud these two gentlmen for their efforts to reverse the whole “victim” mentality and lifestyle. I know its an uphill battle.

Once had a young lady in my lab who was very, very angry with the company we both worked for. She spent most of her time looking for another job. The job hunt was not going well, adding to her anger. Why was she angry? Well, she had a college degree and she didn’t feel she was being treated properly. I could never decide who carried the lion’s share of the blame in her case - the college because her education was so inadequate - or the culture that made it okay for her to be a victim. In anycase, the real problem was that she could not, despite her degree, speak or write “standard” English. She was born and raised in Tennessee and spoke some kind of street gibberish that no one could follow. She had been counseled about the language issue, but didn’t see any need to change as she considered it her right, her “black heritage”. She was angry, non-productive, disruptive and had an enormous sense of entitlement. Her career did not thrive and she was eventually terminated.


19 posted on 10/16/2007 8:33:31 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: shrinkermd

ping


20 posted on 10/16/2007 8:34:53 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: shrinkermd

If anyone watched the Meet the Press interview, I believe the first thing Cosby blamed was “massive institutionalized and systemic” racism. Another couple of talking heads following the ‘blame racism first’ script. Kind of dilutes their subsequent arguments.


21 posted on 10/16/2007 8:50:03 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Think pitch forks.)
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To: Roses0508
She was born and raised in Tennessee and spoke some kind of street gibberish that no one could follow.

She probably got her degree from TSU. As a corporate manager in TN, I received lots of resumes from both TSU and Fisk grads (both black colleges). The TSU grads were all at least cum laude, but their resumes displayed the writing skills of what I would consider an 8th grader. I'm sure that is not true of all TSU students, but was my overwhelming experience. On the other hand, those from Fisk went to the top of the pile. They had been taught well, and they had the attitude that success in life depended on hard work. Fisk grads made great employees. My impression of TSU grads was "i got my degree, now where's my paycheck?". The shame of it was that they seemed to have all been taught that they were owed something, rather than having the opportunity to earn something.

22 posted on 10/16/2007 8:58:19 AM PDT by jdub
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To: 2banana
Much of what you say is true. The Founders would not recognize the behemoth that the Federal government has become.

How then do we fix the problem? Merely electing new legislators of either party will not accomplish the goal. Those interested in elective office, be they Republicans or Democrats, by and large believe in government. They believe it is beneficial rather than pernicious. They also revel in power. Kissinger was right when he called power the the ultimate aphrodisiac. The power of Congress arises in part from its ability to tax and spend, and it will not give up that power willingly.

The solution therefore lies in the Constitution or rather an amendment to the Constitution to accomplish several things: to impose term limits on Congressmen, to require that every Federal law be reauthorized or deemed repealed every ten years, to require a balanced budget, to prohibit any payment to a Congressman or any employee of a Congressmen on account of past service, and to require that every law passed by Congress apply to it as well as the citizenry.

Such an amendment would return us to a world of citizen politicians who would of necessity view legislation critically with a view to its utility and efficiency. Gone would be the preening permanent political plutocrats that we have today. Service in Congress would once again be a service rather than a sinecure.

Congress has usurped its power. Only we can take it back.

23 posted on 10/16/2007 9:02:17 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Roses0508

She was born and raised in Tennessee and spoke some kind of street gibberish that no one could follow. She had been counseled about the language issue, but didn’t see any need to change as she considered it her right, her “black heritage”. She was angry, non-productive, disruptive and had an enormous sense of entitlement. Her career did not thrive and she was eventually terminated.

Cuz talkin like whitey makes you a sellout to the race.


24 posted on 10/16/2007 10:08:58 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: 2banana
thank you 2b, you stated very well what so many people [especially FReepers]understand. Tyranny is/has been knocking for many years.

I fear that the tyrants have learned not to stir up all the hornets at once, and will continue to slowly advance their death grip.

I often feel guilty about the level of charity I can realistically give, maybe some day I will be blessed with the ability to help give freedom to the next generation...

25 posted on 10/16/2007 12:52:35 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: shrinkermd
cri de coeur

I've seen that term in print several times over the past week. Must be the new gravitas.

26 posted on 10/16/2007 12:58:12 PM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Dr. Bill Cosby and Harvard’s Dr. Alvin Poussaint sound like every Republican on this subject, whether or not they realize it.

They were on Larry King last night, and I caught a little bit while channel surfing and I would agree with your assessment. Cosby was going after what he called "victim mongers" - people who were making money off of the victimization of certain groups.

When he started going off on victim mongers", my first thought was Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.

He also made a helluva point about how some people get really pissed off when a certain group's dirty laundry is aired, as if they want to keep the dirty laundry hidden. He said something to the effect that if you have dirty laundry, you don't hide it, you get it out there and get it clean - I think he was speaking about some of the "black leaders" (take your pick) who have criticized him for what he has said.

Very intelligent man, but I have a feeling this will be ignored by the MSM as it makes a lot of people uncomfortable to hear the truth (at least in my opinion).
27 posted on 10/19/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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