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An interview with Ron Paul about his presidential platform on energy and the environment
grist.org ^ | 10/16/07 | Amanda Griscom Little

Posted on 10/16/2007 9:45:44 AM PDT by traviskicks

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IMO, a great articulation of Conservative/Libertarian philosophy on the environment and energy policy.
1 posted on 10/16/2007 9:45:50 AM PDT by traviskicks
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2 posted on 10/16/2007 9:46:53 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: George W. Bush

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3 posted on 10/16/2007 9:48:21 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks
I'm trying to stop the war, and bring back a sound economy, and solve the financial crises, and balance the budget

It takes a lot more to be President then mindless demagoguery and nice sounding rhetoric.

This is a good example of Paul's fundamental mental incompetence and complete unfitness for the Presidency.

The US is currently experiencing the longest period of Economic and job growth in US history. Right now the Economy is doing the best it ever has. Yet despite that happening Paul simply ignores all factual reality to cling to his ignorant dogmas.

4 posted on 10/16/2007 9:57:05 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: traviskicks

Unfortunately, I couldn’t post the article, but Ron Paul is now up to five percent in the latest gallup poll. This is the highest ever.


5 posted on 10/16/2007 9:57:40 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: traviskicks
I think war and financial crises and big governments marching into our homes and elimination of habeas corpus

So in other words he is a mentally demented pacifist who simply manufactures his own reality rather then try to deal with the world as it is.

Has anyone ever asked Ron Paul what he thinks happened on 09-11-01? Worst terrorist attack in History and Paul's response would be to sit in the corner and suck his thumb

Another example of Paul's mental dementia and fundamental unfitness to be President.

6 posted on 10/16/2007 10:00:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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Q But often the cheapest energy sources, which the market would naturally select for, are also the most environmentally harmful. How would you address this?

A Your question is based on a false premise and a false definition of “market” that is quite understandable under the current legal framework. A true market system would internalize the costs of pollution on the producer. In other words, the “cheapest energy sources,” as you call them, are only cheap because currently the costs of the environmental harm you identify are not being included or internalized, as economists would say, into the cheap energy sources.

To the extent property rights are strictly enforced against those who would pollute the land or air of another, the costs of any environmental harm associated with an energy source would be imposed upon the producer of that energy source, and, in so doing, the cheap sources that pollute are not so cheap anymore.


7 posted on 10/16/2007 10:00:49 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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The Pentagon burns more fuel than the whole country of Sweden.

Factually untrue and absurdly silly. Another example of how Paul simply makes up his own reality.

Paul, unfit for command at any level.

8 posted on 10/16/2007 10:02:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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“Factually untrue and absurdly silly. Another example of how Paul simply makes up his own reality.”

Let’s see the statistics, if you have them. 8 posts so far on this thread, and half of them have been from you. Trashing Dr. Paul and what is a really great articulation of conservative conservation ideology.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: traviskicks

This article makes the point that even when Ron Paul has salient points about an issue, he can’t help but interject his wacko, leftist-stooge foreign policy views.


10 posted on 10/16/2007 10:18:58 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Thompson/Hunter '08 - No Cross-Dressing, No Pretty Boys, No Thorazine)
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I believe the GNP of the Pentagon, if one were to quantify that way would be bigger than the entire swedish economy, so in a technical sense Paul is correct.


11 posted on 10/16/2007 10:20:02 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

well, regardless of how one feels about his foreign policy views, I think those views are quite different from those espoused on the left. FYI:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1906994/posts?page=237#237


12 posted on 10/16/2007 10:23:46 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: MNJohnnie

http://www.energybulletin.net/21330.html

The US DoD consumes 365 thousand barrels of oil a day (kb/d) according to the official figures, equivalent to consumption of Greece, at a cost of almost $9 billion.

This, however, is not a complete picture because it excludes

* the amount of fuels supplied by service contractors;
* the amount of fuel used for delivery and its related cost;
* the amount of unpaid oil

(Note that during Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm, Saudi Arabia and the UAE supplied 1.5 billion gallons of fuel. By the way, the DoD does not pay the market price for fuels).

Therefore the US military oil consumption is bigger than officially stated. My calculations show that it is in fact around 500 kb/d, of which 350 kb/d is consumed abroad.


Three sources that I can find all show that in 2001 (the last year these statistics were recorded) Sweden imported 553,100 bbl/day.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sweden

http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blcsweden.htm

http://www.exchangerate.com/country_info.html?cid=219&cont=All

I would say that this has increased over the last 6 years and is not that far off at all from Dr. Paul’s statement in this interview.

The bottom line is you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re a poor debater, and quite frankly, and idiot.


13 posted on 10/16/2007 10:24:01 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: traviskicks
Sorry it takes a great deal more then nice sounding rhetoric and a rabid refusal to deal with reality to be President.

Paul’s long standing demonstrated, ignorance of, or disregard, for the facts renders him unfit to be President of the United States

Same challenge I keep challenging you Paulbots too.

How would Paul do anything? He makes this grandiose pompous wholly empty comments but never once answers the question of HOW he would do any of the things. Paul is a empty suit merely parroting slogans and talking points of the rabid fringer because the only think he will accomplish on the campaign trail is keeping the donations coming in to his retirement fund.

Did not think about that did you Paulbots? Any money he doesn't spend on his "Campaign" he gets to pocket.

Paul knows full well that if he ever was asked a single tough question, actually required to put out an agenda listing the specifics of what and how he would do anything, his whole little con game here would explode in his face.

We are not electing a Dictator. Just electing a President doesn't mean you suddenly get to impose your emotion based political whimsy on everyone and everything. A President is part of, not master of, the US Political system. Something the Paulies simply ignore.

Past time the Paulbots give up their mindless worship of Paul and actually learn how a Constitution Republic works.

14 posted on 10/16/2007 10:31:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That’s becuase, as he’s pointed out, the two can’t be isolated. We can’t be serious about reducing government spending, balancing the budget, and shrinking the size of the government when we’re out building and defending an empire.


15 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:52 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MNJohnnie
Any money he doesn't spend on his "Campaign" he gets to pocket.

So you are accusing him of running for President to pocket extra campaign money?

Wow.
16 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:56 AM PDT by mysterio
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Try actually answering the questions instead of simply spewing bile at anyone who questions your god Paul.

You are going to be asked these questions over and over and over and over until you Paulbots actually try answering some questions about your god for a change.

All you people have been done is bitch because seriously hard questions are being asked that neither you, nor your god, can answer.

Electing a President is serious business. It is not a popularity contest to pick a candidate just because he effectively demagogues your personal emotional hot button issue. So answer the question. In detail, what is Paul going to do and how is he going to do it? It not answered anywhere in this piece. It just a bunch of slogans run together with NO specific information on HOW he would do anything

17 posted on 10/16/2007 10:39:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: MNJohnnie

? The reason I posted this was because it gives some really detailed explanations and steps regarding the environment and energy policy, isn’t that what you are calling for? There aren’t slogans in this. He said what he believes and exactly what he would do. This is an extensive interview with an leftist environmental paper and Paul didn’t pander and socked it to them with strait talk.

I am not the least bit worried about Paul ‘pocketing’ campaign money, as he returns money from his congressional office fund each year to the treasury, has refused a congressional pension, didn’t accept Medicare and Medicaid as a physician and never accepted federal tuition subsidies for him or his children when going through medical school. These prinicpled decisions cost him dearly financially. If he won’t steal from the taxpayers like the rest of the political class, and most of the citizens of this country, I doubt he’d steal from the average joes who are scrounging together to give the median $40 donation to try to salvage what’s left of their liberty.


18 posted on 10/16/2007 10:43:15 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

I read your post on the other thread - you make a very good point that I’ve tried to make several times before. Liberals are in love with the U.N. and are completely in favor of “humanitarian” foreign intervention. These are certainly not the views of traditional conservatives or libertarians.


19 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:42 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: mysterio

Instead of just screaming, try one time answers the questions about your god Paul.

What, and How, is Paul going to do to implement any of these “ideas”.

Here is his campaign “issues” page. NOT a word on how or what he would do in particular on any issues. Just a bunch of slogans run together and called a position.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/


20 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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