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89 House Members Tell Bush: No More Money for Occupation (88 dems and guess who!)
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Posted on 10/16/2007 2:33:12 PM PDT by mnehring

The occupation in Iraq will begin to end on the day that Democrats -- and responsible Republicans -- in Congress decide to stop meeting the demands of the Bush-Cheney administration for more money to fund their imperial endeavor along with the massive war-profiteering by administration-linked firms such as Halliburton and Blackwater.

This is a simple reality. But it remains one that most members of Congress, including many Democrats who should know better, fail to recognize.

The essential document in the current Iraq debate is a letter of commitment, now endorsed by 89 members of the House, that says the signers "will only support appropriating additional funds for U.S. military operations in Iraq during FY08 and beyond for the protection and safe redeployment of U.S. troops out of Iraq before the end of President Bush's term in office."

In an important new letter to President Bush, the 89 representatives -- 88 Democrats and Texas Republican Ron Paul -- say, "More than 3,800 of our brave soldiers have died in Iraq. More than 28,000 have been seriously wounded. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed or injured in the hostilities and more than 4 million have been displaced from their homes. Furthermore, this conflict has degenerated into a sectarian civil war and U.S. taxpayers have paid more than $500 billion, despite assurances that you and your key advisors gave our nation at the time you ordered the invasion in March, 2003 that this military intervention would cost far less and be paid from Iraqi oil revenues.

"We agree with a clear and growing majority of the American people who are opposed to continued, open-ended U.S. military operations in Iraq, and believe it is unwise and unacceptable for you to continue to unilaterally impose these staggering costs and the soaring debt on Americans currently and for generations to come."

At a time when the president is requesting an additional $50 billion to maintain his escalation of U.S. military operations in Iraq through next April, on top of the $145 billion he requested to continue military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan during the 2008 fiscal year, the letter says what all of Congress should be saying: No.

What is now the most important anti-war initiative in the Congress began in July when the following House members signed on: Rep. Lynn Woolsey ☼ (CA); Rep. Barbara Lee ☼ (CA); Rep. Maxine Waters ☼ (CA); Rep. Ellen Tauscher (CA); Rep. Rush Holt ☼ (NJ); Rep. Maurice Hinchey ☼ (NY); Rep. Diane Watson ☼ (CA); Rep. Ed Pastor (AZ); Rep. Barney Frank ☼ (MA); Rep. Danny Davis ☼ (IL); Rep. John Conyers ☼ (MI); Rep. John Hall ☼ (NY); Rep. Bob Filner (CA); Rep. Nydia Velazquez ☼ (NY); Rep. Bobby Rush ☼ (IL); Rep. Charles Rangel ☼ (NY); Rep. Ed Towns (NY); Rep. Paul Hodes ☼ (NH); Rep. William Lacy Clay ☼ (MO); Rep. Earl Blumenauer ☼ (OR); Rep. Albert Wynn ☼ (MD); Rep. Bill Delahunt (MA); Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC); Rep. G. K. Butterfield (NC); Rep. Hilda Solis ☼ (CA); Rep. Carolyn Maloney ☼ (NY); Rep. Jerrold Nadler ☼ (NY); Rep. Michael Honda (CA); Rep. Steve Cohen (TN); Rep. Phil Hare (IL); Rep. Grace Flores Napolitano (CA); Rep. Alcee Hastings ☼ (FL); Rep. James McGovern ☼ (MA); Rep. Marcy Kaptur (OH); Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL); Rep. Julia Carson ☼ (IN); Rep. Linda Sanchez ☼ (CA); Rep. Raul Grijalva ☼ (AZ); Rep. John Olver ☼ (MA); Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (TX); Rep. Jim McDermott (WA); Rep. Ed Markey (MA); Rep. Chaka Fattah ☼ (PA); Rep. Frank Pallone ☼ Jr. (NJ); Rep. Rubin Hinojosa (TX); Rep. Pete Stark (CA); Rep. Bobby Scott (VA); Rep. Jim Moran (VA); Rep. Betty McCollum ☼ (MN); Rep. Jim Oberstar (MN); Rep. Diana DeGette ☼ (CO); Rep. Stephen Lynch ☼ (MA); Rep. Artur Davis ☼ (AL); Rep. Hank Johnson (GA); Rep. Donald Payne ☼ (NJ); Rep. Emanuel Cleaver ☼ (MO); Rep. John Lewis ☼ (GA); Rep. Yvette Clarke ☼ (NY); Rep. Neil Abercrombie ☼ (HI); Rep. Gwen Moore (WI); Rep. Keith Ellison ☼ (MN); Rep. Tammy Baldwin ☼ (WI); Rep. Donna Christensen (USVI); Rep. David Scott ☼ (GA); Rep. Luis Gutierrez ☼ (IL); Lois Capps (CA); Steve Rothman (NJ); Elijah Cummings (MD); and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).

Since Congress returned from its summer break, the following members have joined this burgeoning effort to end the occupation: Rep. Chris Murphy (CT); Rep. Jesse Jackson ☼ Jr. (IL); Rep. Corrine Brown ☼ (FL); Rep. Bennie Thompson ☼ (MS); Rep. Mel Watt (NC); Rep. Gregory Meeks ☼ (NY); Rep. David Loebsack ☼ (IA); Rep. Anthony Weiner ☼ (NY); Rep. Dennis Kucinich ☼ (OH); Rep. Peter DeFazio ☼ (OR); Rep. Sam Farr ☼ (CA); Rep. Henry Waxman ☼ (D-CA); Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA); Rep. John Tierney ☼ (D-CA); Rep. Lloyd Doggett ☼ (D-TX); Rep. Anna Eshoo ☼ (D-CA); Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones ☼ (D-OH); Rep. Richard Neal ☼ (D-MA); and Rep. Louise Slaughter ☼ (D-NY).

Unfortunately, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, and other key Democratic leaders have so far refused to commit to the only meaningful challenge to the Bush administration's war-without-end demands.

What Pelosi, who admitted over the weekend that the Congress has not done enough to challenge the administration's Iraq policies, needs to understand is that the time has come to stop the senseless killing and maiming of young Americans in a distant civil war. The time has come to end what is by any honest measure a colonial occupation and to allow Iraqis to decide their own destiny. The time has come to restore a measure of balance and decency to American foreign policy.

Perhaps most importantly, the time has come to ask whether those who fail to recognize the necessity of standing up to this administration -- unequivocally, consistently and without political calculation -- understand that their duty is to serve their constituents, their country and its Constitution -- as opposed to the mad whims of George Bush and Dick Cheney.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; cowards; cutandrun; defensespending; democratparty; iraq; ronpaul; sedition; surrendermonkeys; wot
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Make a good note of those who refuse to fund our troops being shot at in the middle of a war!!
1 posted on 10/16/2007 2:33:15 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Allegra; lormand; SJackson; ejonesie22; wideawake; jimrob
Ping! I thought you would find interesting who the sole Republican was who is trying to defund our troops.
2 posted on 10/16/2007 2:34:19 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: mnehrling

Methinks they’re just a bit short in their meaningless gesture.


3 posted on 10/16/2007 2:35:48 PM PDT by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: mnehrling
I don’t even have to look at the list to know that every single one of the Gay State’s 10 congresscreatures are among the 89.
4 posted on 10/16/2007 2:35:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: ECM

The Nation keeps proving that it is a communist rag. It should be renamed “Pravda”.


5 posted on 10/16/2007 2:36:43 PM PDT by juliej (Vote GOP!)
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To: mnehrling

This is, of course, the Nation. A motley group of Socialists, Marxists and Stalinists.


6 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:03 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: mnehrling
The time has come to end what is by any honest measure a colonial occupation and to allow Iraqis to decide their own destiny. The time has come to restore a measure of balance and decency to American foreign policy.


7 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:21 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sigh. I wonder how Ogonowski is doing today.


8 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:36 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: mnehrling

Sounds like the Democrats better get moving on this quick, because it’s beginning to look like we’re about to win this thing!


9 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:42 PM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: mnehrling

Kind of amazing that they would be setting up their democrat president for the blowback that would occur.

This isn’t Vietnam and the dynamics are entirely different.

China, Iran, Russia would have a field day destabilizing Saudi and the rest.

Well, Hillary, looks like your people are going to create one hell on earth for you.

~If you win.


10 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:44 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: mnehrling

My own countrymen are trying to kill me.


11 posted on 10/16/2007 2:37:56 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: mnehrling
"Ping! I thought you would find interesting who the sole Republican was who is trying to defund our troops."


12 posted on 10/16/2007 2:38:08 PM PDT by lormand ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: mnehrling

89 isn’t 435. It isn’t even 218. Go pound sand.


13 posted on 10/16/2007 2:38:09 PM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: mnehrling

That’s okay, we’ve defunded his campaign. It’s going nowhere unless he’s going to run for the highest office in an Islamic state. Iran and Syria may be interested, but we’re sure not.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 2:38:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: mnehrling
88 Democrats and Texas Republican Ron Paul

Gee, what a surprise . . .
15 posted on 10/16/2007 2:38:53 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (When gov't wants to fix something, chances are it was the gov't that broke it in the first place.)
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To: mnehrling
"-88 Democrats and Texas Republican Ron Paul-"
16 posted on 10/16/2007 2:39:03 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: mnehrling

It would be nice to tell them theres no more money for THEIR occupation.


17 posted on 10/16/2007 2:39:43 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: mnehrling

Nancy is already trying to cut our supply lines to our OWN troops, why worry about defunding it now? This bitch needs to be tried for treason asap!


18 posted on 10/16/2007 2:40:32 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: mnehrling

19 posted on 10/16/2007 2:41:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: mnehrling

“. . . this burgeoning effort.”

There are 435 members of the House. These 89 represent the radical fringe.


20 posted on 10/16/2007 2:41:33 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: mnehrling

88 Democrats and Texas Republican Ron Paul


Nuff said.


21 posted on 10/16/2007 2:41:47 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: mnehrling

The left is returning to Cuba?


22 posted on 10/16/2007 2:43:26 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mnehrling
" in Congress decide to stop meeting the demands of the Bush-Cheney administration for more money to fund their imperial endeavor..."

Imperial endeavor? How utterly cute. I guess these 89 moonbats forgot that their boy Slick Willy signed into U.S. Law the IRAQ LIBERATION ACT of 1998 making it official U.S. policy to overthrow the Saddam regime and replace it with a democratic form of government.

It' a bit scary when someone such as myself knows more about what is going on than those who are supposed to be leaders of the USA.

23 posted on 10/16/2007 2:43:31 PM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: mnehrling
" in Congress decide to stop meeting the demands of the Bush-Cheney administration for more money to fund their imperial endeavor..."

Imperial endeavor? How utterly cute. I guess these 89 moonbats forgot that their boy Slick Willy signed into U.S. Law the IRAQ LIBERATION ACT of 1998 making it official U.S. policy to overthrow the Saddam regime and replace it with a democratic form of government.

It' a bit scary when someone such as myself knows more about what is going on than those who are supposed to be leaders of the USA.

24 posted on 10/16/2007 2:43:36 PM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: mnehrling

Next up, water is wet and fire is hot...


25 posted on 10/16/2007 2:44:07 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: airborne; rightwingintelligentsia; DoughtyOne; lormand; crazyhorse691; Old Sarge

We need to clean our own house first.

Let’s get a real Conservative who supports our troops in Paul’s seat.

http://www.chrispeden.org/


26 posted on 10/16/2007 2:44:23 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: airborne; rightwingintelligentsia; DoughtyOne; lormand; crazyhorse691; Old Sarge

We need to clean our own house first.

Let’s get a real Conservative who supports our troops in Paul’s seat.

http://www.chrispeden.org/


27 posted on 10/16/2007 2:44:30 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: mnehrling; lormand; ejonesie22; BlackElk; dighton; MNJohnnie
Check out t_suzy having a Major Meltdown.

Looks like a DU thread over there.

28 posted on 10/16/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by Allegra (Proud Member of the Westheimer Wonders)
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To: mnehrling

Lincoln arrested a seditious congressman.


29 posted on 10/16/2007 2:45:35 PM PDT by balch3
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To: rlmorel
Sigh. I wonder how Ogonowski is doing today.

I haven't paid *any* attention to that race because I just assumed that Tsongas would win in a gallop.However I heard a news report yesterday on one of Boston's major radio stations that the race was "neck and neck" which stunned me.If he wins today no Freeper should count on seeing any more posts from me because I'm likely to die of a stroke or heart attack.

30 posted on 10/16/2007 2:45:56 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: mnehrling

life is good when your on the soros payroll.


31 posted on 10/16/2007 2:47:55 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: CalvaryJohn

” Go pound sand.”

I’ll second that. The bigger the grains the better. Clean themselves out real good before they reinsert their heads.


32 posted on 10/16/2007 2:48:26 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Gay State Conservative

I have been following it pretty closely...I gave him a donation and would have liked to help on the campaign, but...family illnesses and death made that out of the question.

A good sign: I drive through Concord, MA every day, and every so often I see the POS antiwar protesters...the other day, there were Ogonowski supporters and signs out, but now Tsongas signs. It was nice to see.


33 posted on 10/16/2007 2:48:58 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: mnehrling

Ron Paul would rather find the money to fund shrimp projects


34 posted on 10/16/2007 2:49:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom
Or sneak in funding for the TransTexas Corridor.
35 posted on 10/16/2007 2:57:11 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: Old Sarge
My own countrymen are trying to kill me.

They're not men, and they don't belong in this country. But your right, they are trying to kill us from within.

36 posted on 10/16/2007 3:04:53 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: mnehrling
Before reading the article,


37 posted on 10/16/2007 3:09:22 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: mnehrling

He’s trying to bring them home. As a Congressman, he has no other way of doing so other than voting to cut funding. Also, before spouting the usual crap about Ron Paul “not supporting the troops”, consider that Ron Paul has raised more from the military then all of the other Republican candidates.


38 posted on 10/16/2007 3:31:26 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: FMBass

Lets de-fund the war on poverty.


39 posted on 10/16/2007 3:33:17 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: balch3
Lincoln arrested a seditious congressman.

And also arrested senators...here's one sent packing:

Vallandigham, the Notorious

Clement Vallandigham, a notorious anti-Union zealot from Ohio was banished from his own country by Abraham Lincoln. He would not go peacefully though, nor could he remain long away from the war that fueled his hatred. Eventually, he would die in as bizarre a fashion as he had lived.

Clement Laird Vallandigham, a former Ohio Congressman from Dayton, Ohio was largely responsible for a growing and vocal opposition to the Civil War. The reportedly handsome young lawyer, son of a Presbyterian minister, was the undisputed leader of the Copperheads ("Peace Democrats") in the Northwest. He was also a notorious, thinly-veiled, Southern sympathizer who made speeches, to anyone who would listen, calling the war, "wicked and cruel," and which was quite obvious to all. Then however, Vallandigham strayed beyond the realm of reality and suggested that the Republicans only wanted to end slavery to further their quest for a dictatorship. The government had little tolerance for such reckless and inflammatory remarks. Unfortunately for Vallandigham, "treason" was then a clay-like concept that would be molded to suit the needs of the war effort.

On May 5, 1863, a Company of the 115th Ohio Volunteer Infantry, dispatched to Dayton, Ohio by special train, broke into Vallandigham's house at 3:00 A.M. and arrested him. The former Congressman was taken from his home in a nightshirt and quickly transported to Cincinnati where he would be tried by a military commission the following day on charges of "treasonable utterances." Riots broke out in Dayton in response to the arrest, with fires destroying an entire city block. Troops from Columbus and and Cincinnati were brought in and martial law declared. Vallandigham was soon convicted of aiding the Confederates, and on May 19, 1863 President Lincoln ordered Secretary of War Stanton to see to it that Vallandigham was banished to "beyond the military lines of the United States and not be permitted to return, under threat of arrest."

Federal troops in Tennessee turned Vallandigham over to the Confederate Army on May 25, 1863. In June, President Davis of the Confederate States, having no use for Vallandigham, orders him to Wilmington, North Carolina to be guarded as an "alien enemy." That same month. Peace Democrats in Ohio nominate the the exiled and incarcerated Vallandigham for Governor. A committee of the Democratic convention demanded that President Lincoln reverse his ordered exile of Vallandigham. Lincoln refused. "Must I," Lincoln lamented, "shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wiley agitator who induces him to desert?" In October, Vallandigham, now exiled by the Confederate States to Canada, would be defeated for the Ohio Governorship by Democrat John Brough from Marietta.

On June 14, 1864, one year after being exiled, Clement Vallandigham slips back into the country and arrives in Ohio wearing a feeble disguise that fails to deceive the Federal agents watching him. Soon, he will be appointed National Commander of the radical "Sons of Liberty," a secret anti-war organization also known as the "Knights of the Golden Circle." Throughout the summer of 1864 Vallandigham will conspire with the Confederate agents in a bizarre plot to effect the release of 20,000 prisoners of war in Ohio, Illinois and Indiana.

http://home.mindspring.com/~mtmitchell/Vallandigham.html

40 posted on 10/16/2007 3:41:23 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Man I love Lincoln. The man had balls and did what he had to do to protect the country. I find it funny all the Ronulans who cry that we need to ‘run the war right’ by having a correct declaration... guess who the first congressman that could be brought up on sedition charges.
41 posted on 10/16/2007 3:45:51 PM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: mnehrling

Paul is a traitor


42 posted on 10/16/2007 3:59:37 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: Red Steel

I remember not so many years ago when Clinton considered some people on this site to be seditious because they opposed his NWO foreign policy. In those days, of course, there were more civil libertarians here.


43 posted on 10/16/2007 4:05:44 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Also, before spouting the usual crap about Ron Paul “not supporting the troops”, consider that Ron Paul has raised more from the military then all of the other Republican candidates.

Site your sources. I call BS. Prove it.
45 posted on 10/16/2007 4:33:29 PM PDT by Codeflier (Implement Loser Pays)
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To: Captain Kirk

Well that was when the ‘wrong’ party was in power. Sheesh!! The ‘right’ party is in control so anything goes.


46 posted on 10/16/2007 4:37:42 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: mnehrling

47 posted on 10/16/2007 4:39:16 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Or vote for Ron Paul


48 posted on 10/16/2007 4:40:52 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Heh! I got that beat:



49 posted on 10/16/2007 4:45:55 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
consider that Ron Paul has raised more from the military then all of the other Republican candidates.

It's a damn lie, but you knew that. In all my years in the servive, I never heard of one Soldier or Marine giving money to a politition. Never.

50 posted on 10/16/2007 4:47:20 PM PDT by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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