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>>>You better be ready to back that completely unfounded statement up with some facts. Hit and run falsifications won't be tolerated.<<<

Did I not just freaking compliment Fred Thompson? You people are unbelievable at times. Fred Thompson is not even close to being the most conservative individual in this race, either in this positions or in his voting record.

Refried Thompson: FOX's ALAN COLMES: "You don't put up a fence, either, do you? Is that bad neighbor policy, put a fence up?"

THOMPSON: "If it would work. I mean, I don't know – that's a technical problem. In this day and age, I would not think you would have to use bricks and mortar to get that job done.

Fred Thompson You're going to get them all together and get them out of the country, which is not going to happen. Or you're going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship, but not make it so easy that it's unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law."

Fred Thompson
For 20 years, we've not enforced the law, and that's a part of the problem. You can't enforce it all on the backs of the employers. People falsify information that they give employers and all that. That's not a solution to the problem.

Sen. Thompson, in committee consideration of S.1664 protected businesses from having to pay higher fines when they are caught hiring illegal aliens. Under the idea that current fines were not enough of a deterrent against businesses cutting their labor costs by hiring illegal aliens, the Senate immigration subcommittee approved higher fines. Various study commissions have found that the willingness of U.S. businesses to hire illegal aliens is the No. 1 incentive for foreign workers to become illegal aliens here. But Sen. Thompson voted with a 10-8 majority in the Judiciary Committee to remove the higher fines from the 1996 legislation against illegal immigration.

S.1664 - Thompson voted against creating a voluntary program whereby businesses could phone into an automated system to verify the legality of their potential-hires.

He also voted for an amnesty of nearly 1-million illegal Cubans and Nicaraguans living within the coutnry.

That one I'm less concerned about, as they were seeking asylum.

LOL! Hey Uriah_lost was very civil compared to the attack I got for a post I made on Fred Thompson the other week. I was discussing the debate and said I was looking forward to finally seeing his performance and that all he had to do was consistently promote conservative principles. Then I said if he couldn't do that much then I might be compelled to reconsider support.

I got jumped on by 3 or 4 FReepers who questioned things ranging from my intelligence and species.

And I've donated to Fred Thompson twice - LOL!

On the bright side, one FReeper said it was a well spoken and thoughtful statement.

I think we're getting into the thick of the primary process. Suffice to say we should archive some of these threads. The flame wars are going to be something. Perhaps we can keep a ping thread by the name of "When FReepers Attack (other FReepers!)"

I just wish that those other FReepers who launch the more savage verbal assault would keep in mind we need to unite together once this process is over. We're suppose to be setting the example for a Democratic nomination process since we're the only party that really practices one. Not like the democrat party that has a coronation followed by numerous human sacrifices to their dark queen.

Anyways, I know you support a different candidate and I support your freedom to do so. This is all part of the process and we should celebrate it. Even while taking snipes at each other's candidates. That's half the fun for me and I do it regularly. The best part is that I can't come up with anything truthful that is as remotely as bad as I could easily come up with for a democrat party candidate. We have some tough choices ahead but afterwards we'll all be in the same boat.

Cheers!

Thank you for the compliment, let me address a couple of things.

First whether you like it or not, he’s right, we are not going to get all of them out. We will get the criminals and the other losers, but the ones here working, well the will is not going to be there to spend the money to round them up. I won't go into my reason why, I have done it before here and it is a long series of post, but I have looked at it ever way from Sunday and between costs and the general public not wanting to see whole families rounded up, plus the legal wrangling that will be in the courts thanks to the ACLU and others and the dems blocking things left and right, well...

We will lose some by attrition, a few with the new rules, but otherwise until it is better to be poor in Mexico than here, even without legit jobs, we are going to be chasing them for decades. Th nations attention span ain't that long. I did explain how we could turn this into a Republican / Conservative issue and get 5-6 million Catholic Pro Life voters out of it.

On his votes on not having businesses do the bit with illegals, he was right there also. Why should a person who owns a business be punished for something the government created and was doing nothing about. It was the Feds job to secure the border and control illegals. If they had then business still sought them, well different story.

None of what you quoted shows inconsistency or change in position.

1. A fence will not do the job alone. FDT has stated it will take technology and an enhanced border patrol. So his comment on a fence working or not working is not indicative of a willingness to not support building a fence, it merely highlights the fact that a fence is not a solution in and of itself.

2. His sentiment to give illegals a chance to come here legally without making it too easy as to be unfair to those standing in line is not indicative that he is pro-amnesty. For generations migrant farmworkers have come to the USA, slept in bunkhouses and saved as much as they could to return and live well in the regions of Mexico and Central America where they traveled from. The problem today is the myriad of socialist programs, workers rights, workers comp and so on that has gotten in the way of earning dollars for half a year and returning to live really well the other half of the year. In other words, FDT wants to end the magnet socialism and allow farms to hire seasonal workers on migrant visas. Nothing wrong in that, but they have to go home for a part of the year. And if they are honest and law abiding they should be given a chance to immigrate if they really want to. But cost of living in say Yucatan is real cheap, and seasonal farm wages can go a long way there, as in building a house there. My guess is that honest farm workers would want to return. Why would they stay here if there are no benefits other than making dollars to return home?

3. FDT’s point on not being able to round up 12 million illegals is spot on. He could pull an Eisenhower ‘Wetback’ operation to scare alot of illegals back across the border but with electronic verification of employment and other technology, it is no longer necessary to be brutal. Just deny illegals everything from getting social services to opening a bank account and so on, and they will either choose to work on the farm or head back across the border. This policy is known as the ‘Policy of Attrition’.

So try as you may to persuade that FDT is a flipflopper, he is indeed not.

His votes while Senator were mostly against wide open immigration, totally against illegal immigration. His votes for immigration were in response to Silicon Valley bemoaning the shortage of tech workers and his other votes were humanitarian in allowing family reunification. Just because La Raza and other groups took advantage of family reunification immigration law does not mean that FDT was in their camp. He was likely fooled like so many others before the problem became headline news. Ronald Reagan was also fooled and expressed regrets later.

Americans want to be humane in their immigration policies but when they become aware that they are being played, they are quick to slam the door shut. That is the nature of FDT.