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Justice says law degree 'worth 15 cents' (Clarence Thomas says because of Affirmative Action)
Yahoo News / AP ^ | October 20, 2007 | JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN

Posted on 10/21/2007 3:41:16 PM PDT by Stoat

Justice says law degree 'worth 15 cents'

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 8 minutes ago

 

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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas testifies before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Financial Services and General Government regarding the Supreme Court's 2008 fiscal budget request on Capitol Hill, in Washington, D.C., in this March 8, 2007 file photo. The conservative justice says he was repeatedly turned down in job interviews at law firms when he graduated from Yale in 1974 in the years after affirmative action had taken hold at universities.

 

 

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has a 15-cent price tag stuck to his Yale law degree, blaming the school's affirmative action policies in the 1970s for his difficulty finding a job after he graduated.

Some of his black classmates say Thomas needs to get over his grudge because Yale opened the door to extraordinary opportunities.

Thomas' new autobiography, "My Grandfather's Son," shows how the second black justice on the Supreme Court came to oppose affirmative action after his law school experience. He was one of about 10 blacks in a class of 160 who had arrived at Yale after the unrest of the 1960s, which culminated in a Black Panther Party trial in New Haven that nearly caused a large-scale riot.

The conservative justice says he initially considered his admission to Yale a dream, but soon felt he was there because of his race. He says he loaded up on tough courses to prove he was not inferior to his white classmates but considers the effort futile. He says he was repeatedly turned down in job interviews at law firms after his 1974 graduation.

"I learned the hard way that a law degree from Yale meant one thing for white graduates and another for blacks, no matter how much any one denied it," Thomas writes. "I'd graduated from one of America's top law schools, but racial preference had robbed my achievement of its true value."

Thomas says he stores his Yale Law degree in his basement with a 15-cent sticker from a cigar package on the frame.

His view isn't shared by black classmate William Coleman III.

"I can only say my degree from Yale Law School has been a great boon," said Coleman, now an attorney in Philadelphia. "Had he not gone to a school like Yale, he would not be sitting on the Supreme Court."

Coleman's Yale roommate, Bill Clinton, appointed him general counsel to the U.S. Army, one of several top jobs Coleman has held over the years.

Thomas said he began interviewing with law firms at the beginning of his third year of law school.

"Many asked pointed questions unsubtly suggesting that they doubted I was as smart as my grades indicated," he wrote. "Now I knew what a law degree from Yale was worth when it bore the taint of racial preference."

He said it was months before he got an offer, from then-Missouri Attorney General John Danforth.

Steven Duke, a white Yale law professor who taught when Thomas attended Yale, said Thomas is right to say that the significance of someone's degree could be called into question if the person was admitted to an institution on a preferential basis. However, he said that could be overcome by strong performance, noting that two Yale graduates — Danforth and President Bush — put Thomas into top jobs.

"I find it difficult to believe he actually regrets the choice he made," Duke said. "It seems to me he did pretty well."

Some classmates say Thomas — who was raised poor in Georgia and stood out on campus in his overalls and heavy black boots — faced a tougher transition than black students who came from middle-class or privileged backgrounds.

Frank Washington, a black classmate and friend of Thomas who also came from a lower-income background, said he had 42 interviews before he landed a job at a Washington law firm.

"It seemed like I had to go through many more interviews than a lot of my other non-minority classmates," said Washington, now an entrepreneur who owns radio and television stations.

Other black classmates say their backgrounds didn't matter.

Edgar Taplin Jr., raised by a single parent in New Orleans, said he landed a job after graduation at the oldest law firm in New York, and does not recall black graduates struggling more to get jobs than their white classmates.

"My degree was worth a lot more than 15 cents," said Taplin, who retired in 2003 as a global manager with Exxon Mobil.

Thomas has declined to have his portrait hung at Yale Law School along with other graduates who became U.S. Supreme Court justices. An earlier book, "Supreme Discomfort," by Washington Post reporters Kevin Merida and Michael Fletcher, portrays Thomas as still upset some Yale professors opposed his confirmation during hearings marked by Anita Hill's allegations that Thomas sexually harassed her.

Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh turned down requests for interviews about the justice's book, but said in a statement that he and his predecessors have invited Thomas to have his portrait done and the offer still stands.

Koh said they met for several hours about a year ago. "He made it clear that he had greatly enjoyed his time at Yale Law School, and that he had great affection for his fellow students and for several professors who are still here," he said.

Thomas would not comment, said court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg.

William Coleman says it's time for Thomas to move on.

"You did OK, guy," he said.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; clarencethomas; justic; justice; justicethomas; law; lawschool; race; racialpolitics; racism; yale
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To: Stoat
Coleman's Yale roommate, Bill Clinton, appointed him general counsel...perhaps Coleman can't understand Justice Thomas's "grudge" because he's never experienced being passed over for a good position - having friends in high places is an even better way than affirmative action to end up climbing the ladder when you just might not be the best-qualified candidate......
41 posted on 10/21/2007 9:27:14 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: yoe

One thing that really pisses Thomas off is any suggestion that he is the ‘black’ SCOTUS justice, or represents the ‘black’ community.

Some idiot at some university I forget now did this about ten years ago as Thomas was being introduced at a commencement speech. He rolled his eyes and shook his head as the introduction was being read.


42 posted on 10/21/2007 9:31:39 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Stoat
No, you can tell a writer's bias by who they give the last quote to. In this case, it was the anti-Thomas guy. I am a big Thomas fan myself.
43 posted on 10/22/2007 3:32:28 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Stoat
Thomas has declined to have his portrait hung at Yale Law School along with other graduates who became U.S. Supreme Court justices. An earlier book, "Supreme Discomfort," by Washington Post reporters Kevin Merida and Michael Fletcher, portrays Thomas as still upset some Yale professors opposed his confirmation during hearings marked by Anita Hill's allegations that Thomas sexually harassed her.

So they jumped on him like the Duke 88 did on the lacrosse players, assuming he was guilty. In his case, because they opposed a conservative on the Supreme Court. In the Duke 88, it was because the alleged perps were white and the alleged victim was black. Both times it was liberal knee jerk response.

I'm glad he didn't give Yale a portrait. The school doesn't deserve to trade on Justice Thomas's good name for their own purposes.

44 posted on 10/22/2007 8:30:57 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: monkeycard
This guy needs to leave the status of victim, that he clings to as a minority, by becoming an American.

It seems to me, he's recounting his experience so as to comment on the difficulties that he, as a black man, had as a result of the social experiment of affirmative action. I have no problem with someone letting others know of his experiences, and, according to the article, those of some other black men in similar situations.

Of course William Coleman didn't have a problem; he was keyed into the top jobs because of his relationship with Bill Clinton; the old 'it's not what you know, it's WHO you know'. It' helps a lot when your old roommate is first the Attorney General, then Governor, of Arkansas, then President of the United States.

45 posted on 10/22/2007 8:42:57 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
It seems to me...

Having read this again, I agree with you. Thanks for the feedback.
46 posted on 10/23/2007 10:28:03 AM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Stoat
This seems strongly to be a case of Thomas blaming something else besides himself for his initial failures. Maybe interviewers simply were not impressed with him and gave no consideration to AA. What was Thomas’s GPA coming out of law school? Would he have even made it into Yale if not for AA?
47 posted on 10/23/2007 2:14:47 PM PDT by Shade2
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To: Shade2

Have you read his book? I just finished it over the weekend and Thomas never really had any “failures” in his life other then personal (divorcing his first wife, and leaving the seminary as he said he did). He greaduated somewhere in the middle of his Yale Law class. He’s been completely successful in everything he’s done in his professional life.


48 posted on 10/29/2007 5:55:07 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: Stoat
“which culminated in a Black Panther Party trial in New Haven that nearly caused a large-scale riot.”

With that bit of hyperbole, I quit reading. Why not simply "a riot?" How about "3 people protesting on a corner?" Nope. We almost had a "large-scale" riot.

49 posted on 10/29/2007 6:06:37 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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