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Justice says law degree 'worth 15 cents' (Clarence Thomas says because of Affirmative Action)
Yahoo News / AP ^ | October 20, 2007 | JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN

Posted on 10/21/2007 3:41:16 PM PDT by Stoat

Justice says law degree 'worth 15 cents'

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 8 minutes ago

 

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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas testifies before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Financial Services and General Government regarding the Supreme Court's 2008 fiscal budget request on Capitol Hill, in Washington, D.C., in this March 8, 2007 file photo. The conservative justice says he was repeatedly turned down in job interviews at law firms when he graduated from Yale in 1974 in the years after affirmative action had taken hold at universities.

 

 

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has a 15-cent price tag stuck to his Yale law degree, blaming the school's affirmative action policies in the 1970s for his difficulty finding a job after he graduated.

Some of his black classmates say Thomas needs to get over his grudge because Yale opened the door to extraordinary opportunities.

Thomas' new autobiography, "My Grandfather's Son," shows how the second black justice on the Supreme Court came to oppose affirmative action after his law school experience. He was one of about 10 blacks in a class of 160 who had arrived at Yale after the unrest of the 1960s, which culminated in a Black Panther Party trial in New Haven that nearly caused a large-scale riot.

The conservative justice says he initially considered his admission to Yale a dream, but soon felt he was there because of his race. He says he loaded up on tough courses to prove he was not inferior to his white classmates but considers the effort futile. He says he was repeatedly turned down in job interviews at law firms after his 1974 graduation.

"I learned the hard way that a law degree from Yale meant one thing for white graduates and another for blacks, no matter how much any one denied it," Thomas writes. "I'd graduated from one of America's top law schools, but racial preference had robbed my achievement of its true value."

Thomas says he stores his Yale Law degree in his basement with a 15-cent sticker from a cigar package on the frame.

His view isn't shared by black classmate William Coleman III.

"I can only say my degree from Yale Law School has been a great boon," said Coleman, now an attorney in Philadelphia. "Had he not gone to a school like Yale, he would not be sitting on the Supreme Court."

Coleman's Yale roommate, Bill Clinton, appointed him general counsel to the U.S. Army, one of several top jobs Coleman has held over the years.

Thomas said he began interviewing with law firms at the beginning of his third year of law school.

"Many asked pointed questions unsubtly suggesting that they doubted I was as smart as my grades indicated," he wrote. "Now I knew what a law degree from Yale was worth when it bore the taint of racial preference."

He said it was months before he got an offer, from then-Missouri Attorney General John Danforth.

Steven Duke, a white Yale law professor who taught when Thomas attended Yale, said Thomas is right to say that the significance of someone's degree could be called into question if the person was admitted to an institution on a preferential basis. However, he said that could be overcome by strong performance, noting that two Yale graduates — Danforth and President Bush — put Thomas into top jobs.

"I find it difficult to believe he actually regrets the choice he made," Duke said. "It seems to me he did pretty well."

Some classmates say Thomas — who was raised poor in Georgia and stood out on campus in his overalls and heavy black boots — faced a tougher transition than black students who came from middle-class or privileged backgrounds.

Frank Washington, a black classmate and friend of Thomas who also came from a lower-income background, said he had 42 interviews before he landed a job at a Washington law firm.

"It seemed like I had to go through many more interviews than a lot of my other non-minority classmates," said Washington, now an entrepreneur who owns radio and television stations.

Other black classmates say their backgrounds didn't matter.

Edgar Taplin Jr., raised by a single parent in New Orleans, said he landed a job after graduation at the oldest law firm in New York, and does not recall black graduates struggling more to get jobs than their white classmates.

"My degree was worth a lot more than 15 cents," said Taplin, who retired in 2003 as a global manager with Exxon Mobil.

Thomas has declined to have his portrait hung at Yale Law School along with other graduates who became U.S. Supreme Court justices. An earlier book, "Supreme Discomfort," by Washington Post reporters Kevin Merida and Michael Fletcher, portrays Thomas as still upset some Yale professors opposed his confirmation during hearings marked by Anita Hill's allegations that Thomas sexually harassed her.

Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh turned down requests for interviews about the justice's book, but said in a statement that he and his predecessors have invited Thomas to have his portrait done and the offer still stands.

Koh said they met for several hours about a year ago. "He made it clear that he had greatly enjoyed his time at Yale Law School, and that he had great affection for his fellow students and for several professors who are still here," he said.

Thomas would not comment, said court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg.

William Coleman says it's time for Thomas to move on.

"You did OK, guy," he said.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; clarencethomas; justic; justice; justicethomas; law; lawschool; race; racialpolitics; racism; yale
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Some of his black classmates say Thomas needs to get over his grudge because Yale opened the door to extraordinary opportunities.

And those 'opportunities' would have been more readily realized in a tangible sense, and there would have been far more of them had the degree not been tainted as substandard, thanks to Yale's affirmative action crimes.

Similar accounts as Justice Thomas' have been made by black engineers and people trained in a variety of schools....so very many have said the same thing, that affirmative action had reduced the value of their hard work and achievement.

1 posted on 10/21/2007 3:41:19 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

My Banker Boss in LA told me that when he was promoted to President in Chicago they also gave him a tutor to go with it because he was black. That’s messed up. (he’s 70 now)


2 posted on 10/21/2007 3:44:38 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Stoat
I heard a caller into a radio show one time saying employers often don’t want of hire minorities b/c if the worker messes up they can’t be fired. Why would anyone want to hire someone that they can’t fire if the person ends up being a bad employee? Affirmative action is racists and as most liberal ideas generates the exact opposite of its stated intent (Jim Quinn, 104.7)
3 posted on 10/21/2007 3:49:29 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Stoat

I have a Yale law degree and all I got was this lousy t shirt and a seat on the US Supreme Court.


4 posted on 10/21/2007 3:53:55 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: eyedigress
My Banker Boss in LA told me that when he was promoted to President in Chicago they also gave him a tutor to go with it because he was black. That’s messed up. (he’s 70 now)

Did they do the same thing for white people in a similar position?  In fairness, people moving up the career ladder are oftentimes provided with some assistance in one form or another  to get them up to speed in a new job.

Was this done ONLY because he was black?  If that's the case, that would indeed be bad, and suggests that the bank didn't really want him there and was being forced to place him there against the wishes of other management members..

Or, it could also be because management there was composed of condescending liberals who supported affirmative action and who thought that blacks simply could never do the job without extra help.

5 posted on 10/21/2007 3:55:13 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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It seems a bit disengenuous for the other affirmative graduates to lay claim to how well “they” have done as if affimative actions stopped at graduation.

It would seem that at the their time of graduation there were few black Yale candidates to from which corporate affirmative action programs to choose.


6 posted on 10/21/2007 3:56:16 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: Stoat

According to him the latter would apply. He was a very smart man whom took his time on decision making.


7 posted on 10/21/2007 3:57:26 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Justice Clarence Thomas did not have to be taught principles or integrity, he had these when he left high school. His gained position is well deserved, he did not have to be a scum sucking liberal to reach the top.


8 posted on 10/21/2007 3:58:15 PM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Stoat

Thomas did more than Okay, he did beautifully and he is 100% right about race, gender, and affirmative action. I know a half dozen men and women who would never have qualified had they not been part of the affirmative action and DC is full of non-qualified people holding positions they have no right to, basically ripping off the public….if government were cut in half today, no one would be missed.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 3:59:11 PM PDT by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: boomop1

Justice Thomas is the essence of America and well disciplined. I wish him God Speed in all his resposibilities and decisions. :^)


10 posted on 10/21/2007 4:02:48 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Ooops... Responsibilities


11 posted on 10/21/2007 4:03:47 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Stoat
so very many have said the same thing, that affirmative action had reduced the value of their hard work and achievement.

OM...Clarence Thomas is an outstanding man. Look at how the left did an injustice to him.

12 posted on 10/21/2007 4:04:22 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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I have a Yale law degree and all I got was this lousy t shirt and a seat on the US Supreme Court.

And see how much extra sweat, time and work it took him to earn his achievements as a result of affirmative action policies.

He's obviously a highly gifted and qualified individual who has achieved a great station in life.

There are millions of others, however, whose station does not afford them the media microphone that Justice Thomas's does, and millions (of all races and genders) whose lives have been destroyed in one way or another by these insidious and discredited social engineering schemes.

13 posted on 10/21/2007 4:10:22 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: socialismisinsidious
I heard a caller into a radio show one time saying employers often don’t want of hire minorities b/c if the worker messes up they can’t be fired. Why would anyone want to hire someone that they can’t fire if the person ends up being a bad employee? Affirmative action is racists and as most liberal ideas generates the exact opposite of its stated intent (Jim Quinn, 104.7)

I understand that the sentiments you express are extremely common among employers, and are entirely justified.  Such situations interfere with the natural market processes of Capitalism and end up hurting all concerned.

14 posted on 10/21/2007 4:16:52 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: School of Rational Thought
It seems a bit disengenuous for the other affirmative graduates to lay claim to how well “they” have done as if affimative actions stopped at graduation.

It would seem that at the their time of graduation there were few black Yale candidates to from which corporate affirmative action programs to choose.

Agreed on all counts.  The cancer of affirmative action exists throughout Government and industry and is frequently cited in early retirements, job frustrations and related family problems.

I have known several police officers who simply got fed up and stopped taking the Sergeant's promotional exam because they kept being passed over by dramatically lower-scoring minority candidates.

15 posted on 10/21/2007 4:21:39 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

There is something to that, but it was there before EEO, etc.


16 posted on 10/21/2007 4:23:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Stoat

You can always judge an article by whom they give the last quote to. Enough said.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 4:28:45 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: eyedigress
According to him the latter would apply. He was a very smart man whom took his time on decision making.

It's very sad when a talented person of any race is forced to spend the autumn of their lives wondering how much more they could have accomplished had it not been for racial laws that affected them in one way or another.

There are millions out there who have been harmed, although most never dare to mention it because in today's climate they would be instantly tagged as 'a racist' when in reality it is these unjust laws that are racist.

18 posted on 10/21/2007 4:30:29 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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Let’s not try to make capitalism as a purely meritocraic process. Family and other connections help even Yale graduates get a leg up on the competition. Thomas doesn’t mention this, but his lack of any such connection probably hurt him as much as the downplaying of his degree. He was fortunate in that Danforth was taken with him. IAC, Richard Nixon had a similar experience. When he graduated from Duke Law School , no New York firm offered him a job despite his excellent record. Too bad: he would have made an excellent corporate lawyer. His background was almost as deprived as Thomas’.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 4:34:32 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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You can always judge an article by whom they give the last quote to. Enough said.

Really? 

The last quote in the article:

William Coleman says it's time for Thomas to move on.

"You did OK, guy," he said.

So, your feeling is that because Clarence Thomas has achieved a great station in life, he should simply forget about the injustices that he faced while getting there?

Should the people who did not achieve a great station in life also forget about similar injustices?

20 posted on 10/21/2007 4:34:54 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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