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My Night At The Orlando Fox News Presidential Debate
Myself | 10-22-2007 | my favorite headache

Posted on 10/21/2007 11:38:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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To: My Favorite Headache
Hillary=Broken glass baby, broken glass....With broken legs is necessary.

Bravo to you!

121 posted on 10/22/2007 7:15:18 AM PDT by hope
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To: oh8eleven
This is from Huckabee's website. What did I miss?

That Huckabee is running AWAY from his record as governor, not ON it, regarding border/illegals. Note the two articles below, from 2004 and 2005, before he became a presidential wannabe.

Huckabee
  Posted by cradle of freedom
On News/Activism 08/15/2007 7:54:10 PM CDT · 2 replies · 34+ views


Arkansas News Bureau | June 30, 2005 | Wesley Brown
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention Thursday, Jun 30, 2005 By Wesley Brown Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. "I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that...

Huckabee defends societal cost of illegal aliens (2004)
  Posted by pissant
On 10/19/2007 10:22:45 AM CDT


Arkansas News Bureau ^ | July 7, 2004 | David Robinson
LITTLE ROCK - Gov. Mike Huckabee on Tuesday defended illegal immigrants against a radio caller's criticism and sympathized with former convicts' inability to vote in Arkansas. Huckabee, in his monthly radio call-in show on the Arkansas Radio Network, also repeated his reasons for supporting a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriages and for opposing an amendment that would allow lawmakers to stay in office longer. Chris from Cabot, who thanked Huckabee for speaking at his Fellowship Bible Church, asked the governor about the status of a proposed amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. More...

He (like McCain, Graham, et al) is one of those recent converts to 'secure the border', since he sees that is a major election issue.

[Note that these recent 'secure the border' converts are not denouncing amnesty for illegals nor The Dream Act that is still floating around in the Senate. Why? Because supporting 'secure the border' sounds good without forcing them to state that they oppose open borders and amnesty for illegals. Their 'secure the border' is a ploy to help get them elected.]

122 posted on 10/22/2007 7:15:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: mtnwmn; All; Calpernia; pissant; RasterMaster

Oh, yes, and it is totally framed to get a RINO in there.

Don’t forget-Roger Ailes is very tight with Hillary.

This is a Fifth Column effort and I, for one, refuse to participate in helping them elect a Manchurian candidate so he can fall on his sword for the globalist-annointed wraith.

Duncan Hunter is a veteran and former chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

He was overwhelmingly reelected 13 times in a very socially- politically challenging district.

The idea that some lying, cheating, baby-killing, perv-coddling mayor is a better executive, or that

a one-term lawyer-lobbyist-actor from a conservative state who promoted positions that were easy in his state,

or a former executive who has just recently changed his mind on critical issues of abortion and gay marriage are somehow superior to

Duncan hunter, a consistent, prolife, military veteran who has fought for border security, life, fair trade, and fair taxes,

just because shills like Sean Hannity say so is absurd.


123 posted on 10/22/2007 7:15:25 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I am not sold on him, I actually was taking notice of vitriol from Fred supporters (whom I liked last night for the first time) were throwing at him, and it seemed that even they sensed that Huckabee might be the competition. That may sound harsh, but Fred supporters started with Rudy, got rid of most of his supporters, then went to Mitt, throw ugly insults at him, and now seem to be attacking Huckabee.

In my mind Huckabee probably has more negatives (smoking ban and immigration), but I found myself liking him last night.

124 posted on 10/22/2007 7:15:49 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: My Favorite Headache

For the rest of the campaign season, the name Hillary should not ever be uttered by a Republican without the word “socialist”.

Hillary the socialist. Hillary, who is a socialist, Hillary, who will impose socialism. Etc.

It has a nice ring to it, and it is the truth.


125 posted on 10/22/2007 7:16:18 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: My Favorite Headache; oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin; gonzo; sheikdetailfeather

KUDOS! You did a great job! I videotaped the whole thing. bttt


126 posted on 10/22/2007 7:18:17 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("The Clintoons think they have us surrounded again. The poor bastards." ~ General Abrams paraphrased)
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To: sitetest

I don’t want Rudy to be our nominee, but calling him a liberal Democrat is silly.

He’s not even as liberal as our most current liberal republican. His ratings show that he’s a moderate republican, not something we like around here, but not a liberal democrat.

There is one thing I fear more than a “Rudy/Clinton” election, and that is a Clinton presidency. Oh, there’s one OTHER thing I fear: A “Rudy/Clinton” election where the conservatives all stay home but Rudy wins anyway.

Then you have a Rudy in the white house, bitter at how the conservative abandoned him, AND empowered by the knowledge that he doesn’t need to do ANYTHING conservative because we stayed home and he won.

Plus, because we were all demoralized and stayed home, a dozen good conservatives down-ticket lost close races, giving Rudy a much more moderate/liberal congress to work with.

Of course, that’s why I’m fighting against Rudy. I could even argue that a popular conservative candidate, even one that would LOSE the presidency, would be preferable to a Rudy that wins, if that conservative energized the base. The base would turn out in droves, and we’d win back house seats and elect conservatives.

But once the primary is done, if Rudy is our candidate, ACTIVISTS need to focus on energizing the conservative base even though we’d have a crappy presidential candidate, in order to support down-ticket conservatives. We won’t do that if all the conservatives are staying home.


127 posted on 10/22/2007 7:20:27 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
If they push Hunter out, I’m going too.

And if the links with Fred as VP candidate? Which will give him a REAL shot in 2016. What will you do then?

128 posted on 10/22/2007 7:21:31 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Here is a question for you:
Tommorrow you pass a law that all abortion is illegal and anything else you want ...what will happen ?


129 posted on 10/22/2007 7:21:45 AM PDT by woofie
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To: My Favorite Headache
lighting up the joint

Good idea! Just don't let the Ron Paul guy bogart the thing!

130 posted on 10/22/2007 7:23:55 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Tennessee is barely conservative these days.

Nashville is very very liberal. Memphis is lost until the New Madrid fault goes off again.

Nashville and Austin are political twins.


131 posted on 10/22/2007 7:24:11 AM PDT by wardaddy (Behind the lines in Vichy Nashville)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Duncan Hunter supporters can take care of him during the primaries. The MSM does not control the ballot box....even though they are trying....trying very hard. However, if Duncan doesn’t win the primary, please don’t stay at home when election day comes and let Hillary win:-)


132 posted on 10/22/2007 7:30:07 AM PDT by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: TomGuy
He (like McCain, Graham, et al) is one of those recent converts to 'secure the border', since he sees that is a major election issue.
Thanks for the info and yes, it truly is a major election issue.
I guess if he's sincerely "converted" I can live with that, but as Reagan said, we'll need to trust but verify.
That said, he looks good to me.
133 posted on 10/22/2007 7:30:08 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Dear CharlesWayneCT,

His recent whimperings notwithstanding, it’s difficult for me to tell Mr. Giuliani apart, ideologically and policy-wise, from, say, Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Except on the war, Mr. Giuliani would fit reasonably comfortably in the mainstream of the Democrat party, and that mainstream is liberal.

“There is one thing I fear more than a ‘Rudy/Clinton’ election, and that is a Clinton presidency. Oh, there’s one OTHER thing I fear: A ‘Rudy/Clinton’ election where the conservatives all stay home but Rudy wins anyway.”

In my own view, any election where the two major party candidates are Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Giuliani is already lost to actual conservatives.

If Mr. Giuliani wins without conservative support, then it will show that conservatives are effectively marginalized, and can be ignored with impunity, as we are powerless to affect the outcome of the general election.

If Mr. Giuliani wins with conservative support, then it will show that conservatives are effectively marginalized, and can be ignored with impunity, as we can be taken for granted because we “have nowhere else to go.”

“But once the primary is done, if Rudy is our candidate, ACTIVISTS need to focus on energizing the conservative base even though we’d have a crappy presidential candidate, in order to support down-ticket conservatives. We won’t do that if all the conservatives are staying home.”

I have no intention of staying home. I’ll go out and vote for every office on the ballot. And with the exception of the presidency, it will be a straight-Republican ticket.

For the presidency, I’ll vote third party.

I won’t vote for a baby killer for president.

Just not gonna do it.


sitetest

134 posted on 10/22/2007 7:32:02 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: navymom1
Scary. But I’d rather have the lesser of the two. I’ll vote for Rudy and hopefully keep the government out of my health care and the Lincoln Bedroom free of trash.

When you settle for the lesser of two evils you will still end up with evil. Settling for some socialism will only beget more socialism. Your strategy prevents the line from being drawn for too much socialism. That rationalization will also lower the bar by tolerating candidates who are a little more socialistic then those in the previous election. Eventually the country will have been completely converted to socialism. It's the frog in the pot routine who doesn't realized the heat is being gradually turned up. Eventually it is cooked without ever knowing. It is this type of slippery slope thinking that caused the GOP to lose control of Congress in 2006 and has put itself in the current predicament of a split in the party. The irony is the GOP never expects the socialist Democrats to sacrifice their principles. I suggest you read post #33 for an enlightening perspective.
135 posted on 10/22/2007 7:32:59 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: tioga

I missed that, but see post #81. I sure hope we’re not funding something like that.


136 posted on 10/22/2007 7:33:37 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: My Favorite Headache

“Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave.”

Even for Rudy, who I thought won. Hope Jim Rob read that.


137 posted on 10/22/2007 7:34:36 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
There was a selective effort to limit Hunter’s participation last evening. That was wrong.

Exactly. I timed how long it took the moderators to ask Hunter a question. The first question they asked him was at 8:27pm, twenty seven minutes after the debate began. By then Thompson, Romney, McCain and Giuliani had been asked several questions. Hunter was asked last.
138 posted on 10/22/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

YO DA MAN


139 posted on 10/22/2007 7:37:47 AM PDT by DeaconRed (We must make sure our Brave Military gets the support to Win This WAR. Not another Viet Nam.)
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To: Gvl_M3

It’s not good enough for me to vote for him either, when I have others I trust much more.

But in the general election, I believe it’s better to vote for the guy who says he will do what I want, than the guy who says he will do what I don’t want.

In the first case, I have to trust him to do what he said, which of course he might not be trustworthy.

But in the second case, I have to trust him to NOT to what he said, and if I think he isn’t trustworthy, why am I voting for him?

If Rudy was SAYING he’d do what Hillary would do, I’d understand not voting for him just because he’s an “R”. I felt that way about Linc Chafee, and was glad to see him go.

But at the moment, on many issues Rudy is SAYING he’ll be mostly on “our side”. Hannity thinks that’s enough to SUPPORT him, and I certainly don’t, but in the general election, I can’t see giving Hillary half a vote over a man who SAYS he’ll do what I want him to do.

I hope I don’t have to make that choice.


140 posted on 10/22/2007 7:41:15 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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