[gogeo]

trying things on the “wholesale” change basis for the purpose of comparing results is an inherently “high risk” proposition...

This precisely describes teaching theory as presented in schools of education today. We're living it; I'm not recommending a different method, but a different direction.

As for unintended consequences...that is a given. If I were generous (*and unskeptical) I would say we're currently drowning in unintended consequences.

It would be more accurate, I think, to say that we're not here by accident (unintentionally.) Any person who has followed education for the last 30 years would conclude we're here by design.

To cut through the cr@p, I'll propose that we both agree that the current system doesn't well serve students. Where we seem to disagree is whether effort is best used in trying to reform the current system or providing an alternative to it.

You note (correctly, I think) that human nature resists change. Combine that with the fact that the pressure groups currently control not just the system, but the terms of debate...and I say you have a better chance of sprouting wings and flying, than changing the direction of public schools.

Thoughts?

[Lucky Dog]

... I'll propose that we both agree that the current system doesn't well serve students.

I agree up to a point. I would modify your assertion to say that there current system does serve students as well as it should or could either for their benefit or that of our nation. The fact remains that some significant number of students do come out of the system capable of operating, maintaining and even developing the technology and systems that are essential to run our society.

The question that is under debate is whether the current system will be adequate for the future. There I think we have general agreement that it is not.

... I say you have a better chance of sprouting wings and flying, than changing the direction of public schools

Agreed that neither I nor any other single individual can accomplish the task you have mentioned. However, it is my contention that given the correct information, that many people can change the current educational system. Furthermore, if that change is presented as returning to a "successful" approach, the resistance to implementing the proposed change would be minimal. In contrast, the opportunity for "selling" what would characterized by opponents as a radical, new, untried approach will face much more difficulty.