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1 posted on 10/26/2007 5:40:55 AM PDT by SJackson
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first we need to build that fence. then we can wonder about what to do with all those who already made it in (maybe they will leave on their own if they realize they can’t go back and forth at their leisure)


2 posted on 10/26/2007 5:45:56 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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I don’t believe that mass deportation is going to happen.

Mass deportation doesn't need to happen if we strictly enforce our existing laws. Deporting some will show others it's futile to remain in the U.S. and they we'll leave voluntarily. That is already happening in municipalities, counties and states that are cracking down on illegal aliens.

Second, one way to reduce the number of Mexicans in the country illegally would be to make it easier for them to enter the country legally for a specific period of time to work on specific jobs.

That's just another form of amnesty and defeats the purpose of those waiting to enter the country legally for employment.
3 posted on 10/26/2007 5:51:30 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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the party that attempts such a sweeping action will commit political suicide

I would applaud such an action to remove these invaders....These invaders must go back to their country of origin or be forcefully removed. There is no reason for these invaders to be allowed to stay simply because the invaders broke the law. Allowing the invaders to break the law and then to stay invites more invaders to come. A message must be sent by America or Americans (legal citizens) will be overwhelmed by these invaders.

4 posted on 10/26/2007 5:56:16 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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It is time to amend the Constitution so that the precious gift of citizenship is awarded only to babies born here of parents who are in the country legally.

It should be that citizenship is awarded only to babies whose parents are citizens of this country not simply here legally. A great number of people reside in this country legally that are not citizens and do not want to be citizens. The accident of birth place on this earth should not entitle one to automatic citizenship.

6 posted on 10/26/2007 6:03:12 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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Fine the employers severely. Lock them up after three offenses. When the jobs dry up the first cold north wind will blow the illegals back over the border.

Do what other countries do about those born there but of foreign parents, make citizenship available at eighteen, not automatic at birth.

Cut off Federal funds to school districts that cut services to American taxpayers' kids in favor of the illegals' kids.

Bill Mexico for the 'free' hospital services used by their citizens here illegally.

Deportations are not necessary and allowing the left to focus on them is letting the left frame the debate.

7 posted on 10/26/2007 6:03:48 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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As much as 30 percent of this year’s crop of foods that are picked by hand went to waste for lack of pickers. An emerging shortage of nursing home employees is also becoming apparent. Let’s make arrangements for such productive work to be done legally by tax-paying visitors.

If we paid higher wages for these jobs and give no welfare to able-bodied people who don't work, then we'd have plenty of people without importing any more.

The answer to our need for workers seems simple to me.

8 posted on 10/26/2007 6:06:47 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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As much as 30 percent of this year’s crop of foods that are picked by hand went to waste for lack of pickers.

Now, if that isn't a bunch of convoluted BS. With between 20 - 30 million illegals, how can anyone with a straight face tell us that we lack crop workers?

We just have to figure a way to "keep 'em down on the farm"! .

9 posted on 10/26/2007 6:20:47 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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"....The Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986 was supposed to solve it, but illegal immigration has continued to increase........"

The main reason people come to America is for jobs to earn money.

The fact that major companies have virtual employment offices South of the Border, recruit and hire illegals and employ them when they get here, sometimes furnishing cars and housing, is THE problem.

In my opinion, the companies, no matter who they are nor how big a corporation, needs to be shut down until they eliminate ALL of their illegal activity.

The Simpson-Masoli Act was supposed to police companies who hired illegals -- the government not only did NOT do as promised (big surprise there) they punished the INS when they attempted to detain and deport illegals.

All those companies had to do was call up their congresscritters and complain and presto, no more enforcement.

Suggestion, quiz your congresscritter and obtain a promise in writing to enforce Simpson-Masoli, if they refuse to do so, vote them out of office, no matter who they are or how good they are on "other issues."

10 posted on 10/26/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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If we could magically solve all the illegal immigration problems, we’d still need to secure the border against criminals, drug runners and terrorists.


11 posted on 10/26/2007 6:25:52 AM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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Immigration is not a divisive issue. Divisive is when a nation is evenly divided. Illegal immigrant advocates are facing opposition from over two thirds of the US population. It will only get worst when the US economy starts to slowdown from the subprime scandal.


12 posted on 10/26/2007 6:32:45 AM PDT by Fee (An American empire can only be built by leaders with the stomach of Romans.)
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Not so modest and not so easy to shove through Congress. The Supreme Court might do something about anchor babies if the the right lawsuit makes it that far...


13 posted on 10/26/2007 7:06:05 AM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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Fourth, let’s make the USA monolingual by law. Certainly everyone may speak and write whatever language they prefer, but when it comes to things like official business, this should be an English-only country.

I wonder how many pitchfork wielders will read those sentences and conclude that retail establishments, car lot, banks, and other businesses are the "official business" that this author was getting at. There is much too much anti-foreign bias in the Republican ranks, a lot of it makes sense, but much of it still does not...especially when much of the concerns are really the fault of an entitlement system run amok (as the author alluded to in his third point).

15 posted on 10/26/2007 8:00:25 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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I think these are good suggestions. Our town mayor was just suggesting yesterday at the barbershop why not put a series of offices, i.e. consulates, along the fence, to issue ID, permits, and employer tracking information, etc. to satisfy the so-called need for temporary immigrant workers (although I question that "need" in the first place).

He also suggested making the jurisdictions, (counties, states) who issue auto tags to illegals be held liable (i.e.lawsuits) for the current untouchable accidents.

One rebuttal though is the physical deportation problem. I live among the illegal aliens (corporate agriculture) as much as anyone on this forum, and I assure anyone that they, the illegals, know, just like an ant colony, immediately and exactly, where the sugar is. They know it faster than any electronic communication. They know precisely where they can get away with jobs, accidents, services, etc. anywhere from Oaxaca to Maine. They know exactly who the politician is, local and national, they should fraudulently vote for. Anyone who doesn't understand this has no concept of the situation. Thus, decisive and assertive enforcement of the proper immigration rules, just like raising a teenager, is the only option. And it means that self-deportation can be totally effective. They got here, they can get back.

In fact to not understand this, that they can assess and adapt to the situation, really is the egocentric bigotry of liberalism. "I'm smart, they're not."

Tragically Democrats, virtually all Democrats in this country, from the local to the national level, and I see it demonstrably where I live among the illegals, WILL NOT support reasonable solutions such as these above. Democrats crave the votes, political power, and atonement, so avidly, that reason, like these suggestions, is not a parameter.

I'm preaching to the choir here but these comments are also sent elswhere - Democrats are really really a nasty psychopathological set - shallow "humanitarians" on the surface, self serving, guilt ridden phonies below (ala Eliot Spitzer).

We are seeing the LEFT. But can anyone stop it?

16 posted on 10/26/2007 8:04:24 AM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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18 posted on 10/26/2007 8:54:47 AM PDT by gubamyster
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However, I don’t believe that mass deportation is going to happen. Its implementation would be a logistical nightmare, requiring armies of law-enforcement personnel and possibly military troops (perhaps “aided” by citizen vigilantes) to conduct raids on neighborhood after neighborhood, like military sweeps in Iraqi cities.
***Nope. All it would take is some smart lawyers who want to make some money. Since when did lawyers get all queezy when there’s money on the table and blood in the water? See below for my even more modest proposal.

Here’s my standard post. We can do something about this.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.

RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.


20 posted on 10/26/2007 11:57:40 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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btt


22 posted on 10/26/2007 1:26:30 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Modest proposals aren't what they used to be.

I thought he was going to suggest that we eat them.

24 posted on 10/26/2007 7:40:46 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Shake off all the fears & servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched/Jefferson)
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