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Indian tribes expel members
CNN ^ | 10/27/07 | AP

Posted on 10/27/2007 8:46:20 AM PDT by Brilliant

Dennis Champlain's grandfather helped win federal recognition for the Narragansett Indian Tribe. Champlain himself has danced in tribal powwows and teaches his children that they are Narragansetts. Yet the Narragansetts say he is no longer a member of the tribe. Champlain and his extended family are among thousands of people removed from American Indian tribes in recent years, often amid tribal squabbles or when a casino comes to town. In Rhode Island, the Narragansetts' removal of about 140 of roughly 2,400 members has become an issue in Saturday's election for the tribe's chief sachem, or leader. Tribal officials say they have the right to decide who is a member and to prevent fraud by people angling for a share of gambling money. But many of those kicked out complain they have little recourse to fight what amounts to an attack on their identity. "We're in the process of a redefinition of tribal identity at its core," said David Wilkins, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota and a member of North Carolina's Lumbee Tribe. "It's ramping up in a way that's really quite frightening to a lot of Native people." Wilkins traces most purges to four factors: internal political squabbles, stricter racial requirements for membership, punishment for gang or drug-related crime and, most often, during debates over sharing casino profits. A 1978 U.S. Supreme Court ruling said the federal government should not intervene in most tribal membership disputes, leaving appeals up to the tribes. Tribal casinos generated $25 billion in revenue last year...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 4beingsoberonthejob; indian; tribes

1 posted on 10/27/2007 8:46:22 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
...and, most often, during debates over sharing casino profits.

Well d'oh...

2 posted on 10/27/2007 8:47:57 AM PDT by Philistone (If someone tells you it's for the children, he believes that YOU are a child.)
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To: Philistone

FReepers are good. It only took one post to point out the “need behind the need.”


3 posted on 10/27/2007 8:56:58 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Don't let the technician tell you the problem is an ID 10 T user error. They're making fun of you.)
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To: Brilliant
In Michigan I wouldn't buy fish caught by Indians out of season with nets, and I won't ever go to one of their casinos either.

I don't believe in reparations for descendants of slaves or for that matter what my great-great granddaddy did to yours out west either.

If you want to be your own nation then fine, just don't ask for all the other rights and benefits to go along with them then claim special privileges on top of it.

4 posted on 10/27/2007 9:03:31 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Brilliant

We should call in the ambassador of this foreign country, read him the riot act, demand they repatriate refugees. Or faling that, they should compensate the U.S. for the cost of assimilating them, double to their share of casino profits. Or better yet, tax the casino profits up-front. /sarc.


5 posted on 10/27/2007 9:09:06 AM PDT by Tax Government (Damncrats -- the organized crime party)
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To: K4Harty
The tribes out here (every individual receives at least 10K per month) don't even try to hide that fact. $120,000 per year, multiplied by the wife and number of kids, apparently ain't enough.

It is kinda weird seeing a Bentley toodling along, driven by a guy with braided pigtails and lots of turqoise jewelry.

6 posted on 10/27/2007 9:10:33 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Brilliant
Indians don’t like it known that if you are killed, raped, defrauded or suffer any other crime in “Indian” property, you have no recourse except through Indian courts, which will give you nothing.

Indian casinos frequently refuse to pay off big jackpots, negotiating a lesser settlement.

A friend stopped at a gas station alongside Highway 17, 25 east of Jamestown, NY at 6:30 PM. He was robbed at gunpoint, shot and killed. There were 40 witnesses who all positively identified the killers. 4 separate witnesses got the plate number of the car they escaped in. Two of the witnesses were former co-workers of the perps and a witness taught one of the perp in 11th grade! All provided witnesses statements, both written and videotaped for the NY State Police.

The gas station was owned by Whites, but was determined to be on an old Indian Reservation. They were 1/8 Indian. Nothing was done. The perps said they needed his money for beer......

7 posted on 10/27/2007 9:23:42 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Abathar
If you want to be your own nation then fine, just don't ask for all the other rights and benefits to go along with them then claim special privileges on top of it.

Unfortunately, there are countless treaties, executive orders, and laws that guarantee the tribes all of the extras. They were part of deals made back in the 19th century for land, and are bound for "perpetuity." Now, the tribes are laughing all the way to the bank, and ultimately, it was Uncle Sam's fault. Nothing can be done about it now, except with tribal permission.

8 posted on 10/27/2007 10:32:28 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Brilliant

Some people are more racially pure than others.


9 posted on 10/27/2007 10:34:47 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: MindBender26

I would put up billboards of the attackers with their latest pictures across the county.


10 posted on 10/27/2007 11:17:50 AM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Maryland recognizes individuals as being American Indians, but recognizes no tribes. The local Indians have no reservations, although one former Maryland tribe has a reservation in Canada, where they were exiled after backing the Brits in the Revolution. The State claims there are no tribes, because they wiped them out or exiled them! Also, if you claim to be an Indian, and want benefits from the Maryland Bureau of Indian affairs, you damn well better "look" like what they think an Indian should look like! Champlain wouldn't have a prayer.

Of course, the remaining Indians (such as they are) would like tribal recognition, so they can have a casino, just like any other self-respecting tribe. The latest try is the revival of the Susquehanna Tribe, HQ'd in Erie, PA, which was apparently wiped out (wrongly of course, as they were peaceful Christians) around 1710.

When the latest group appealed to NY State Mohawks for some back-up, they were told to "get lost."

11 posted on 10/27/2007 11:21:08 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: B4Ranch

No one cared.....


12 posted on 10/27/2007 11:24:03 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Brilliant
Seems the noble savages are not so noble.
13 posted on 10/27/2007 11:31:09 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: Zerodown
Well, ultimately, under the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934, its up to the federal government to decide who constitutes a tribe and who doesn't. States have very little say in the matter, and under federal law, it's up to the tribes themselves to determine who is an Indian and who is not.

However, with that said, there are no original reservations west of the Mississippi, excepting perhaps the various Iroquois reservations in New York. And, there is an ongoing struggle among the "have" tribes and the "have not" tribes for treaty-mandated government benefits.

Also, as you've picked up on, the well-established tribes vociferously oppose the recognition of new tribes since that means funding and benefits to support the new tribes that will be coming out of their pies. Tribal politics can be quite vicious, and with 562 small governments playing "Axis & Allies" among each other, the complexities are great.

14 posted on 10/27/2007 11:54:35 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: ErnBatavia

I saw it too. I moved to TX from So Cal about a year ago.


15 posted on 10/27/2007 12:18:05 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature
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To: Brilliant

Ward Churchill springs to mind.


16 posted on 10/27/2007 12:23:29 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Zerodown
Unless the Zulu’s had a North American branch that Anthropologists missed somehow, the State of Connecticut [thats Indian Lingo]has been snookered BIGTIME. There are Indians and then there are Indian wannbes and we have a ton of them in Connecticut[Big wide river in Indian lingo].
17 posted on 10/27/2007 12:28:20 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Brilliant

I hope one of them was the 3rd base coach for holding up Lofton the other night.


18 posted on 10/27/2007 12:29:53 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Brilliant
My wife is 4/10ths genuine Cherokee Injun. Fifteen grand a month? I want a cut of that casino payola. LOL


19 posted on 10/27/2007 12:33:22 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Fred in '08. Deal with it.)
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To: ABN 505
the State of Connecticut [thats Indian Lingo]has been snookered BIGTIME.

The Donald, Trump i.e., said he had more Indian Blood than any of the Connecticut "Indians" he was dealing with, and could prove it.

But I personally take a wide stance on their "Indian Blood" claims. After all, hanging around those smoky wig-wams for hundreds of generations could have darkened them, no?

20 posted on 10/27/2007 12:35:53 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Viking2002

The Cherokees have a casino in Cherokee, NC.

http://www.harrahs.com/casinos/harrahs-cherokee/hotel-casino/property-home.shtml


21 posted on 10/27/2007 12:37:26 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Brilliant

Dove is a commie.
Thomas does his best. He’s not a bad guy.

They have a lot of frauds and hangers on who are just troublemakers.


22 posted on 10/27/2007 12:40:22 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I am a proud anti-invasion racist!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Maryland was inhabited by sort of short dweeb indians who were always getting raided and roughed up by your big tough Virginia Indians, who somehow just got some Federal recognition, BTW.

This, and the astounding victory of the Passamaquoddy in Maine, have given some hope to my local chief, whose claimed tribe has a treaty on record with both the Colony and state of Maryland. In fact, he just went up and applied for a loan from their tribal council to pay some legal expenses for his casino/recognition/reservation quest! He figured since they just won over $400 million on their treaty violations, they might be inclined to back-up a fellow red man. No dice!

At least this guy looks at least a little like the part in stature and profile, except for the red hair and a last name as Irish as Paddy's goat.

23 posted on 10/27/2007 12:50:03 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: MindBender26

Would anyone have cared if you killed the robbers in similar fashion?


24 posted on 10/27/2007 2:46:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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