Posted on 10/27/2007 7:01:35 PM PDT by ventanax5
FP: Well sir, your point is well taken in the sense that we have to be honest in acknowledging that there are elements of Islam itself that inspire terror and that Islamic terror therefore is an outgrowth of Islam and cannot be washed away without a re-haul of Islam itself.
Tefft: I understand what you say, and I've heard this argument before: "radical" Muslims kill and terrorize other Muslims as well so they must be different from the "moderates" that they are terrorizing. I don't think so. As with any group of human beings, there are factions in Islam and personal ambitions and petty egos of various leaders which will them to power. So there are conflicts between Muslims as well as between Muslims and everyone else. However, those Muslims killing other Muslims (which is forbidden in the Koran) do not view the "others" as true Muslims but rather as 'takfir' or apostates, thus not true Muslims and therefore subject to the same killing as the rest of us.
Like Nazism, Islam is an ideology one chooses to adhere to. Were there "good" or "moderate" Nazis? If not, then no one can claim that there are good or moderate Muslims as they are voluntarily subscribing to an ideology that advocates murder, torture and jihad and does not permit its follower to cherry-pick which parts they believe in. The requirement to accept the Koran as the literal word of God also carries with it the obligation to accept it all. And as you say, the Koran instructs all Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims and all schools of Islamic thought instruct the subjugation of the non-Muslim world through jihad. Therefore, I do not believe it wise to attempt to create artificial distinctions
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Religion of peace !! There is justification for doing anything these radical morons want. Sad !
Interesting. Jamie Glazov is a conservative, and supports the WOT, but is unwilling to accept what this expert has to say about Islam.
Unfortunately, the expert he is interviewing is correct. The problems we are confronting go back through 1400 years of Islamic violence, enslavement, conquest, mass murder, destruction of cities and civilizations, and forced conversion. They can be traced back to Mohammed himself, who was a liar, a murderer, and enslaver, a pederast. Yet if you are a Muslim, then you have to believe that he was Allah’s chosen prophet, the last and greatest prophet, the man whom all Muslims must imitate. Not a good start for a religion.
A non-islamist muslim is not a muslim.
Jamie Glazov is an accomplished interviewer, and he has the expert saying exactly what Jamie Glazov wants to appear in his magazine.
Could be. So he keeps saying, “Now, now, you mustn’t say that,” for two reasons, to draw out his expert guest, and to defuse liberal critics who would call him a bigot if HE said that all real Muslims are like that?
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