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More young adults on cholesterol drugs
AP via Yahoo ^ | 10/30/07 | Linda A. Johnson

Posted on 10/30/2007 8:07:22 AM PDT by qam1

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To: Old Professer
as you may or may not know:

Artificial heart What came to be known as the Jarvik-7 was in fact the final product of the collaboration of many researchers who came before him, and their contributions to this project. Paul Winchell, ventriloquist and much-loved voice and television series character actor, invented the original artificial heart. With the help and advice of Dr. Henry Heimlich, Winchell designed an artificial heart and built a prototype. He filed for a patent in 1956, which he received in 1963. Winchell donated his patent to the institution and Jarvik, using many of Winchell’s basic principles, took the device further, culminating with the Jarvik-7

Jarvic has since given no credit to Winchell....or as he is often known, Mr Winkle

81 posted on 10/30/2007 1:25:20 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Clemenza
Thx, Clem...now I will have Wessonality stuck in my head...blah

PaMom

82 posted on 10/30/2007 1:31:10 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: Sue Perkick
Yeah, I was being ironic. Drug companies have a foolproof business model. Find a drug that affects an easily testable number, baseline an acceptable range for that number so that a significant number of people will be above or below enough to "require" treatment. Make billions selling the drug. Then sell more drugs to treat the side effects of the first drug.

I'm not a doctor, but I've read what some doctors who haven't drunk the statin cool-aid claim total cholesterol under 300 shouldn't be treated with drugs, or anything for that matter. It simply isn't a problem. In any case, krill oil, flax oil, oatmeal, exercise seem to have a good track record for lowering cholesterol. Magnesium, exercise, garlic and sunshine can help with high blood pressure. Best wishes for your husband's health.

83 posted on 10/30/2007 1:43:00 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Cholesterol schlmesterol.
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I am with you all the way! The doctors try to get me to take statins but I steadfastly refuse. I am 63 years old, 6 feet and 4 inches tall and weigh between 265 and 270. I am stronger than I have ever been in my life before, work out with weights three times a week, ride a bicycle when I get the chance and do whatever heavy physical work I want to do, including moving concrete blocks by hand, swinging a nine pound maul and digging with a shovel (all within the past week) the same as I did thirty years ago. My resting heart rate is usually around 65 and my blood pressure is lower than it was when I was in my twenties. I take Dr. Whitaker’s vitamin formula and Dr. Jarvis’s Vermont folk medicines, vinegar, honey and cinnamon. The doctors who want me to take statins couldn’t keep up with me for ten minutes despite being younger than I am. I don’t know why God has blessed me so generously but I am certainly grateful.
My stepdaughter just told me that her cholesterol is down to 174 and the doctor wants it down to AT MOST 150! What will it take to end this madness! She won’t listen to me, I have tried to warn her but she thinks the doctor knows something.


84 posted on 10/30/2007 2:14:58 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Everybody is “sick.” Who benefits?
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The doctors who keep racking up charges for office visits and the drug companies. The project is to eventually have everyone in the country on some form of “chronic” medication. I am convinced this is the real goal.


85 posted on 10/30/2007 2:17:24 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: qam1

My son was about 6 when the pediatrician noticed his cholesterol rate was on the rise. She recommended oat bran and I started adding it to a lot of stuff I was making. His cholesterol was back to normal next check up.


86 posted on 10/30/2007 3:57:39 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: girlangler

My kind of woman. May she Rest In Peace. :)

I work with a woman who is in her late 70’s. She can run circles around me, and I’m pretty nuts, LOL! She, too, hasn’t been to a doctor in ages. She just says they’re only going to tell her what’s “wrong” with her and that she can fix her minor ailments related to AGING on her own, anyway. :)

God Bless women like that. Wish there were more of us on this planet. Then we wouldn’t be in the health care fix that the Socialists exploit for political gain. *Rolleyes*


87 posted on 10/30/2007 4:36:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Vaquero

“watch out for Statin Drugs.....they can cause more harm than good.”

Use Red Yeast Rice instead.


88 posted on 10/30/2007 4:40:05 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Champion advertised itself as the #1 selling-sparkplug in the world; they never said they were the best and the rest were inferior.

I think the focus on Jarvik’s participation ought be one of ethics, is it proper for a doctor to take an oath of practice to heal and do no harm to then turn to the easier and more rewarding profession usually performed by late-night hustlers?

What’s next, Morton’s as a heart-friendly salt?


89 posted on 10/30/2007 4:40:10 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: girlangler

Sorry for your loss of that wonderful lady. She sounds like some of my ancestors in rural Kentucky.


90 posted on 10/30/2007 7:04:41 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Vaquero
have they told you to check your liver yet? it can and does destroy livers and is also a neurotoxin.

Let me put it this way. For years, my doctor handed me a prescription for Lipitor every time I saw him, which I never bothered to fill. And for years, I smoked, was diabetic, but successfully controlled my blood sugar by diet and riding my bike 20 miles every day. This past June, I had to stop riding my bike and call a friend for a ride home because the pain in my chest, while riding, was too great to even consider turning around and riding home.

An EKG, stress test, cardiac catheterization, angioplasty, and two stents later, the side effects of NOT taking a statin trump all to hell all of the thus-far nonexistent side effects you're trying to scare me with of taking a statin.

Furthermore, I've been through cardiac rehab. I know what the survivors of heart attacks and bypass surgeries look like. That is a fate to be avoided.

Rail all you want on the evils of statins - that is your right - I have no doubt that the side effects hit some people in very significant ways. However, if you deter even one person from taking medicine which would have headed off a future heart attack, well, consider that side effect.

91 posted on 10/30/2007 7:45:44 PM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: Monitor

I took Lipitor for 3 months 8 years ago and came down with Peripheral Neuropathy which has all but ruined my life since that time.

there are alternatives to Statins.


92 posted on 10/31/2007 3:10:37 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Sue Perkick
The statins are bad news. There has to be a better alternative. But I haven’t found it yet.

Niaspan worked for me. HDL's up, LDLs down, TG down, all in current "Optimum" ranges now. Cannot/Will no longer take Statins.

It's a Rx timed-release Niacin. The downside is the usual flushing one gets from niacin, but moderated. Taking it with beer and curry is a BAD idea...impressive flushing for twenty minutes.

That said, it's the only thing that has worked for me. High cholesterol is genetic in my case..I have a sister with high cholesterol who is a gym rat/health nut who eats lettuce, and that's about it. But no adverse CV history in the family.

I remain unconvinced about the new "Optimium" numbers, such as 100mg/dL, because people who do studies get no followon funding if they say the wrong thing. Studies funded by Merck, Pfizer, etc., I strongly dispute. Of Course. For hundreds of millenia we were cholesterol-gobbling hunters, but now, for the duration of the statin patents, suddenly the maximum total cholesterol has been halved, as though by a magic wand.

Sure.

93 posted on 10/31/2007 3:24:54 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = "Cesspool + Flavor-Straw")
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To: JTHomes

Thank you. I’m going to check out some of the things you mentioned. I’m getting frustrated seeing him barely able to move at times. There has to be a better way.


94 posted on 10/31/2007 6:33:18 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I think you are right. Half of all heart attack victims have high cholesterol levels and half have normal levels.


95 posted on 10/31/2007 6:37:04 AM PDT by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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To: Gorzaloon

I’m happy for the people who haven’t had these side effects from the statins. But they seem to be poison for others. I’ve seen enough to know I will NEVER take them. I intend to do everything I can to find an alternative for my husband.


96 posted on 10/31/2007 6:37:29 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: Poundstone
So it’s “good news” that more and more adults are taking anti-cholesterol drugs?

It's good news if you're selling them. And the threshold for what's "normal" keeps dropping, too.

97 posted on 10/31/2007 6:54:39 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: qam1
"indicate use of cholesterol-lowering drugs among people aged 20 to 44,......, jumped 68 percent over a six-year period.The rate rose from 2.5 percent in 2001 to just over 4 percent in 2006 among Medco customers. Meanwhile, use of blood pressure medicines increased 21 percent, from about 7 percent of 20- to 44-year-olds in 2001 to over 8 percent in 2006."

Make sense! Lowering the systemic cholesterol damaged the blood vessel wall. And when the blood vessel wall looses elasticity, due to the cholesterol depriving, the blood pressure increases.
98 posted on 10/31/2007 6:57:12 AM PDT by SeeSalt
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To: Poundstone
Interesting. I personally think the whole thing has a lot in common with global warming.
99 posted on 12/14/2007 7:30:29 AM PST by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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