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Suddenly, I'm thinking the Fed is not going to reduce interest rates afterall.
1 posted on 10/31/2007 5:50:11 AM PDT by Brilliant
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There goes my marketing plan to sell pencils on street corners.


2 posted on 10/31/2007 5:51:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Bush’s fault


3 posted on 10/31/2007 5:51:59 AM PDT by magellan
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“Brother, can you spare a dime”


4 posted on 10/31/2007 5:52:49 AM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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You never know til they announce it.

What I’m thinking about reading this is the kook sites that insisted a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, five years ago, the economy was DOOMED.

As I’ve noted on those occasions, only fools and Democrats bet against this economy.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 5:55:12 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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I may just TIVO the MSM evening news programs to watch their spin on this number.

Teeth are gnashing, heads are spinning, meetings are being called, and strong, strong coffee is being brewed.

“Ahem, I say ahem again, ahem; I say old chap, how in hell are we going to spin this”?


6 posted on 10/31/2007 5:57:42 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Global warming my butt! It's getting cold here.)
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I generally don't listen to the Democrat candidates, but at the debate last night, on several occasions various candidates came out and said (paraphrasing): "The last 6 years have been a disaster for this country. The nightmare must end. We're going in the wrong direction, and we need to get a Democrat in the White House."

And their plan is to surrender to our enemies in the Middle East, raise our taxes, and impose regulations on our businesses. Yeah, that will turn things around!!

9 posted on 10/31/2007 5:59:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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the economic surge is working. let’s end it!


10 posted on 10/31/2007 6:02:26 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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I guess not enough people were watching CNBC’s doom-and-gloom squad of “experts” trying to talk the economy into recession. They’ll keep trying, though.


11 posted on 10/31/2007 6:08:11 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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The Fed's overriding worry is that problems in housing and harder-to-get credit could seriously crimp spending and investing by people and businesses, dealing a dangerous blow to the national economy. Many analysts are hopeful the economy can avoid a recession. Growth in the current October-to-December quarter is expected to slow to a pace of around 2 percent or less.

Economy has just grown 3.9% but there's fear of a recession? Do the authors not know the definition of the word?

13 posted on 10/31/2007 6:21:24 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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Suddenly, I'm thinking the Fed is not going to reduce interest rates afterall.

It reduces the chances from 99% to 90%. But they will still cut. They are being proactive in trying to prevent bigger problems down the road. Financials and housing can take the market down if it gets to the crisis level.

15 posted on 10/31/2007 6:27:39 AM PDT by Always Right
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Damn. We're winning in Iraq and the economy is growing.

What the hell?

16 posted on 10/31/2007 6:30:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Dem’s will still say it’s a bad economy... and the DBM will not challenge them.


18 posted on 10/31/2007 6:38:13 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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Business investment in commercial structures, such as office buildings and factories, grew at a 12.3 percent pace in the third quarter, a good showing but down from a sizzling 26.2 percent growth rate in the second quarter.

Is there no rainbows in these writers lives? 26.2% was a fluke and unsustainable but 12.3% is a very robust number...

21 posted on 10/31/2007 6:46:59 AM PDT by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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Yes they will. If not this quarter, then next. I hate to say it, but the US is in for a real change in the average person's standard of living. The same type of thinking has been at play in the markets as it was in 1929, but this time, the Fed's are deeply involved.

The Fed’s “Cure” Worsens the Disease

However, as a “temporary cure” on August 17, 2007, The Fed decreased the discount rate (whereby banks can borrow directly from The Fed) by ½%. The result was that borrowings(!) by banks (so they could do more lending) jumped from a daily average of $6 million to $1.3 billion in the two weeks ended August 29, 2007. A staggering 21,600% increase.

The key point is The Fed administered a cure (enabling even more debt) which, in the long run, worsens the “excessive lending disease.”

The Fed’s discount rate cut (i.e. enabling more borrowed liquidity) “cure” is simply creating more of what got us into this terrible situation in the first place, which was excessive borrowed liquidity. Coupled with non-transparency (e.g. hiding M3 – Where is the transparency, Ben?) and excessive monetary printing, the liquidity increases and easy credit have led to, among other things, the moral hazard of lenders lending recklessly to borrowers who should not be borrowing to begin with.

Even so, its “Solution” of allowing even larger injections of “borrowed liquidity” as opposed to “earned liquidity” (which is healthy liquidity achieved through savings out of earnings) temporarily calmed the markets. Yet it is increased “borrowed liquidity” which worsens mid and long-term systemic risks.

For this crucial “borrowed vs. earned” liquidity distinction we are indebted to Dr. Kurt Richebacher (R.I.P.) whose sensible pre scri ptions have been utterly disregarded by the U.S. Federal Reserve and which pre scri ptions, had they been followed, would have resulted in our not being in today’s liquidity and derivatives crises. [May the straight-speaking, realistic and erudite Dr. Richebacher rest in peace. He passed away in early August, 2007.]

Dr. Richebacher explains why credit (i.e. debt) financing, or “borrowed liquidity” as he calls it, is so pernicious:

“Available liquidity is, of course, most important. Nevertheless, we find it most important to distinguish, first of all, between two different sources of liquidity: borrowed and earned liquidity. Present excess liquidity in the United States and several other countries is of a peculiar kind. It does not come, as would be normal, from unspent current income – in other words, from saving. In the absence of any new savings, all the liquidity creation occurring in the United States is borrowed liquidity. Generally, borrowing against rising asset prices is in diametric contrast to earned liquidity from savings out of current income. By definition, this is liquidity from credit inflation. One thing is certain about borrowed liquidity: it depends on rising asset prices. Once asset prices stop rising (see current U.S. housing prices) this liquidity suddenly evaporates. Moreover, ever larger credit injections are needed to keep asset inflation - - like any other inflation - - rising. Nevertheless, there inevitably comes a point in which asset prices, for one reason or another, refuse to rise further and then the big selling without buyers begins. Never before in history has there been an exception from this disastrous end of asset inflation.”

ARM resets and consequent defaults and foreclosures are far from over. Indeed, ARM resets will continue at a $40 billion/month pace until well into 2008.

By correctly anticipating the foregoing, Deepcaster was able to recommend that its subscribers take profit on two “short” positions in August, 2007 and again in October, 2007.

In sum, the August freeze-up will likely be the first of several credit market freeze-ups due to defaulting borrowers and reckless lenders, magnified by the leverage of $20 trillion plus of OTC Derivatives and grossly excessive “borrowed liquidity.”

Ominously, also, on the very day of the September Fed rates decreases were announced, the Treasury International Capital Flows (“TIC”) data for July, 2007 was released.

The bad news was that foreign capital flows into the United States hit their lowest levels since December, 2006, when one considers only the data for long-term securities. When short-term and long-term securities are considered together, the Treasury Inflows jumped to over $100 billion - - more than enough to cover the $60 plus billion trade gap for July.

The key point is that while foreigners are still willing to support the United States’ overspending and over-indebtedness they are moving to shorter dated securities. Thereby, the data is not so subtly telling us that the days of foreigners carelessly financing the U.S. debt are limited. Acute analyst Dan Norcini concluded from the economic and TIC data that “…the Fed will burn the Dollar down, rather than let the U.S. Equity Market collapse.” Apparently so.

Thus it is important to conduct a reality check on how these Fed policies affect American workers. Surely they are a primary cause of wage levels continuing to deteriorate. Real median income of full-time year-round workers fell from $44,600 in 2002 to $42,250 in 2006 (for males) and from $33,800 in 2002 to $32,500 in 2006 (for females).

Williams' excellent analysis raises a further question which Williams does not address, but which Deepcaster shall address. When the resulting (and nearly inevitable) crash appears near, what "cover" or "incident" might the government and/or Fed leaders then in power, create via their “communications policy” to deflect the public’s justifiable rage away from the numbers manufacturers and manipulators themselves, who caused the crisis in the first place?

Market Intervention, Data Manipulation -- Consequences For Gold, Equities & Crude Oil & Cartel End Game

22 posted on 10/31/2007 6:47:21 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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"An inflation gauge closely watched by the Federal Reserve showed "core" prices -- excluding food and energy -- rose at a rate of 1.8 precent in the third quarter. Although that was up from a 1.4 percent pace in the second quarter, it was still within the Fed's "comfort zone.""

Ever noticed how these diatribe mouthpiece reports just schill for the gov? Everyone uses energy and eats everyday....those numbers are very rarely ever mentioned in such articles.

23 posted on 10/31/2007 6:49:52 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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Ummm yeah...

Huge housing bust - dollar at record lows - Canadian Dollar is worth 1.05 - oil nearing $100 - gas at $3.00 - everything is on track.


25 posted on 10/31/2007 6:52:42 AM PDT by silentknight
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Specuvestors and illegal aliens are the hardest hit...


27 posted on 10/31/2007 6:55:31 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Strong sales of U.S. exports to foreign buyers was another big factor in the good third-quarter showing. Exports of goods and services grew by 16.2 percent, on an annualized basis, during the quarter. That was the biggest increase since the final quarter of 2003.

Exports are booming!

31 posted on 10/31/2007 7:06:29 AM PDT by rb22982
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Paul Krugman says we’re in a recession.


35 posted on 10/31/2007 7:40:35 AM PDT by AU72
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see? the economy is already feeling Hillary’s Plan working. Remember ‘92 when Billy’s Plan hadn’t been implemented yet? He hadn’t even been elected yet and he was claiming his plan worked?


39 posted on 10/31/2007 7:55:22 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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