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Bar blasts judge for calling prostitute's rape 'robbery'(FEMALE JUDGE!!!!)
AP ^ | 11/1/2007 | Maryclaire Dale

Posted on 11/01/2007 5:07:20 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

In a rare rebuke, the city's bar association condemned a judge who dismissed rape charges in the alleged gang rape of a prostitute and instead called it a theft of services.

The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men, including the customer, while he fixed a gun on her.

Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.

Deni has since heightened the furor in defending her decision to a newspaper.

''She consented and she didn't get paid,'' Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. ''I thought it was a robbery.''

(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...


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KEYWORDS: judges; law; loonyjudges; pa; rape
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well stated.


61 posted on 11/01/2007 6:42:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I don’t know why... but I like it.

she consented to perform services, but was not paid.

She should be arrested for prostitution

They should be arrested for (whatever crime it is called to solicit a prostitute)

AND they should alsobe charged with theft of services, armed robery with a gun.. etc etc

EVERYONE goes to jail here (all the people that should!!)


62 posted on 11/01/2007 6:42:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K

Send her to jail for being GANG RAPED.

How nice of you.


63 posted on 11/01/2007 6:44:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“If you offer to let someone punch for you a $5, and then 4 people show up and beat the crap out of you, they can’t get off the hook for assault and battery because one punch at $5 was already agreed upon.”

Lousy analogy as you don’t let people beat the crap out of you for a living.

The key question here is would she have likely consented to the act or acts had the “price” been to her liking. I think we all know the answer to that question.


64 posted on 11/01/2007 6:47:18 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Red in Blue PA

I see the point you are making, and I agree with you- YES THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH GANG RAPE TOO!!

But... lets just say they all had paid her each the $100 afterwards... what would we be calling this now?


65 posted on 11/01/2007 6:47:22 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: traderrob6

But she didn’t consent.

What part of that don’t you undersdtand?


66 posted on 11/01/2007 6:49:14 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Mr. K

Amazing that because of what she does, people here are unwilling to treat her equally under the law.

And appalling too.


67 posted on 11/01/2007 6:50:11 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: traderrob6
"The key question here is would she have likely consented to the act or acts had the “price” been to her liking. I think we all know the answer to that question."

She may have consented to the acts if the price was right. However, if after she arrived and told there would no money paid, and she said she changed her mind, it would still be rape.

68 posted on 11/01/2007 6:51:33 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Mr. K
"lets just say they all had paid her each the $100 afterwards... what would we be calling this now?"

If she agreed to take the money and didn't call the police, we wouldn't be talking about it. However, if she agreed to take the 100 dollars because she was afraid they would kill her if she didn't take it, we would still be talking about this, and it would still be rape.

69 posted on 11/01/2007 6:53:58 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: colorcountry
"She agree to sex with at least two men. That’s her own testimony. "

There were 4, and these 2 participated in the rape perpetrated by the other 2. An analogy would be legitimate customers in a bank that decided to join in on a bank robbery that began after they had done some transaction. They can't claim they were not a part of it if they participated in the robbery, and took off with with some of the cash.

70 posted on 11/01/2007 6:54:09 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I didn’t say she consented for the “4” but she did for two and would have likely for the “4” had the money been right.

Please don’t talk down to me, I understand completely, my rational is just different than your’s.


71 posted on 11/01/2007 6:55:50 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: BMiles2112
"I am curious how this case could be affected if prostitution were legal."

If prostitution were legal and she showed up for her "date" and was told she wouldn't be paid and she was forced to have sex, it would still be rape.

72 posted on 11/01/2007 6:56:53 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Enterprise

“However, if after she arrived and told there would no money paid, and she said she changed her mind, it would still be rape.”

That’s where we differ. The crime was in the “not being paid” not the sex act and is therefor armed robbery not rape.


73 posted on 11/01/2007 6:58:17 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Red in Blue PA
Because there are no Church going people who participate in prostitution, male or female, right?

Not my point and you know it. Jesus, Buddha, Suze Orman. I don't care. Just get her stupid life in order and get straight.

74 posted on 11/01/2007 7:00:02 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Red in Blue PA

Many here are taking a moral offense and refusing to acknowledge that this is a legal offense. Ok, so she’s lower than an egg sucking dog. Does that mean that no crime is too great to visit upon her?
These people would have stoned Mary Magdalene when she was caught in the act. Jesus said he who is without sin among you, cast the first stone. These pharisees would have been grabbing some stones.


75 posted on 11/01/2007 7:01:12 AM PDT by Shimmer (I see dumb people. They're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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To: traderrob6

See post #70

And no offense, I don’t think you understand at all.


76 posted on 11/01/2007 7:02:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Enterprise

Even if she is offered money, should she decide NOT to have sex and it is forced upon her, it is still rape.

She can opt out should she wish according to the law, as she should be able to.


77 posted on 11/01/2007 7:04:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA
That is why YOU are disinclined to value her.

And why are YOU disinclined to value the judge?

You say in your headling: FEMALE JUDGE!!!!

Would you say: BLACK JUDGE!!!!

Do you feel women as a group lack judgement?

78 posted on 11/01/2007 7:06:55 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Re: Do you feel women as a group lack judgement?

If this is an indication of how women feel, then yes I would.

Thankfully, I do not believe the world is populated with loony women such as have appeared on this thread to justify a GANG RAPE.

And make no mistake about it, because of her background, that is exactly what this judge and many here are doing.

Absolutely appalling.


79 posted on 11/01/2007 7:09:39 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Enterprise

It’s like 2 people come into a lawn and garden center and negotiate a price to fix their mowers. Then two friends show up and demand at gunpoint that the proprietor fix their tractors too.

That’s armed robbery and additionally assault if he was brutalized. Is there any doubt that the proprietor would have fixed all 4 tractors if the price was to his liking? Of course not.

If a prostitute chooses to offer a service like sex for money just like any service provider does they need to be held to the same standards of ordinary business practice.


80 posted on 11/01/2007 7:10:42 AM PDT by traderrob6
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