Treat for Guiliani as He Inches Ahead of Clinton (Quinnipiac Poll)

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1113 ^

[LS]

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, the Republican front-runner, leads New York Sen. Hillary Clinton by a razor-thin 45 - 43 percent, but voters say 58 - 37 percent that President George W. Bush's low approval ratings will make it difficult for any Republican to be elected President, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Giuliani's lead reverses a 46 - 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in an August 15 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University, but Giuliani was up 49 - 40 percent May 3.

Illinois Sen. Barack Obama gets 43 percent to Giuliani's 42 percent. And Arizona Sen. John McCain ties Clinton 44 - 44 percent, wiping out a 47 - 41 percent Clinton lead August 15.

Clinton also has seen her favorability among American voters drop from 48 - 43 percent August 15 to 46 - 46 percent today.

In other head-to-head matchups in the current survey:

* Clinton leads former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson 46 - 41 percent and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney 48 - 38 percent, with both leads down from August 15;

* Obama ties McCain 43 - 43 percent and beats Thompson 45 - 37 percent and Romney 46 - 36 percent;

* Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards trails Giuliani 44 - 41 percent; ties McCain 42 - 42 percent, but beats Thompson 46 - 36 percent and Romney 47 - 34 percent. (excerpt)

[LS]

This is UNLIKE the ill-fated "Pew" poll yesterdy, a suvey of 1636voters though not "likely voters weighted toward Dems 742/678 with MOE of 3.6%. Based on what I've seen of polls in the past, that nudges it slightly more in the Republicans' favor, which is excellent news.

[claudiustg]

A big cigar for the gun-grabbing SOB!

[2001convSVT]

It is ashame that this isn’t the election for senate, both Giuliani and Hillary should face each other in New York, not for the Presidency.

[carjic]

Also shows Fred can’t win.

[Williams]

But But But Drudge links to an article about a Pew Poll stating Hilary “creams” Giuliani, even in the South.

[Red6]

The G man isn’t conservative just because someone said so, just because he has an (R) behind his name.

Saying someone is electable, does not make them represent conservative values and the one who should be the Republican candidate, sorry.

I’d rather see we sink than ride to power by selling out in 2008. Our candidate should have the name: Romney, Tancredo, or Huckabee. Anyone of them will lead a good presidential fight, all of them can win the elections in 2008. Stacking the deck for the 2008 elections by choosing an “electable” candidate (Which is the purpose of articles like this is to sell the “electability”) who does not represent conservative principals fiscally, in family values, or the second amendment is not the way to go. It will only crush the conservative base and wash away any concept of unifying conservative vision. The Republicans and Democrats will become indistinguishable.

[Froggie]

What??? Fred is down 5% in NY to Hillary a year before the election and that shows he can’t win??? Very odd analysis. Let’s see...did George Bush win NY - think not.

[Bon mots]

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Maybe Rudy can stop her?

[Froggie]

While I agree in principle that a true conservative would be best, I’m practical enough to know that 1/2 a pie is better than no pie and to not vote or vote third party if Guiliani is the nominee would be foolish and hand the white house to Hillary. I don’t think America could or should have to go through what Hillary would bring to the country.
On a positive note, if Hillary wins...there is a silver lining....at least we get our silverware back!

[roses of sharon]

Bad week for Bill, he must be ticked, he is so looking forward to a 3rd and 4th term.

[CommerceComet]

What??? Fred is down 5% in NY to Hillary a year before the election and that shows he can’t win???

From the article: ....Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

[Condor51]

I don't see this as 'treat' from the lisping cross-dresser.

Per another Quinnipiac poll from the link in the importanat swing states Rooty is behind the beast:

10-10-07: Clinton Express Rolls Through Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds ---

• FLORIDA: Clinton 46 - Giuliani 43;
• OHIO: Clinton 46 - Giuliani 40;
• PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton 48 - Giuliani 42

This poll is BAD news for Rooty. In all previous polls he's led in Florida. And as noted above has NEVER led in in Ohio or PA. And in NY Clinton still "Tops Giuliani by 11 Points". And in NJ where Rooty has always led, "Clinton, Giuliani Neck And Neck". (one more Blue state that's (cough) not in play). So not only can Rooty NOT win Blue states, he's losing Red ones.

The SS Rooty is going d-o-w-n. If he had any scruples he'd drop out NOW and leave the GOP race to real Republicans. And I'll say it once again -- NO President has ever won without carrying his home state. Right 'President' Gore?

The GOP need to get this through their thick skulls, Rooty is a L-O-S-E-R.

[Ooh-Ah]

Also, the Pew poll was 10/17-10/23

See: Real Clear Politics

Quinnipiac

10/23 - 10/29	1636 RV	45	43	6	Giuliani +2.0
Rasmussen	10/22 - 10/23	800 LV	46	44	10	Giuliani +2.0
Democracy Corps (D)	10/21 - 10/23	994 LV	45	49	3	Clinton +4.0
Pew Research	10/17 - 10/23	1607 RV	43	51	6	Clinton +8.0
LA Times/Bloomberg	10/19 - 10/22	512 RV	41	47	4	Clinton +6.0
Cook/RT Strategies	10/18 - 10/21	855 RV	39	43	11	Clinton +4.0

[Red6]

While this is true that compromising and 50% answers on many issues are acceptable, it’s not the case with Giuliani vs. Hillary. You might as well have Hillary win in 2008 if it’s between Giuliani and Hillary, since despite all the pandering and rhetoric, both will act in very similar ways once in power.

During the great depression there were for obvious reasons a growing number of people who subscribed to Communist and later NAZI ideology in the US. If those were the times today, should we support a guy who buys into the communist or NAZI philosophy because he can “win” and people like what they hear? 50% is better right?

There are times where you need to ask yourself what you represent, and taking a bloody nose is the right thing to do if that is the only alternative. If the Republicans put Giuliani up as their front man, they represent nothing other than a party that panders and chases voting blocks. They will loose exactly that which they say defines them in all specific values and principals concerning family and economics. The party of Reagan will be dead and indistinguishable from the Democrats.

Put up a real conservative and do the best you can without selling out.

[carjic]

I agree. If Fred gets the nomination I will vote for him. I just hope he does not because we are looking at “96” all over again.

[LS]

That Pew poll did “adults,” not even “registered” voters, let alone “likely” voters. When you make those adjustments, you move the numbers 6-7% in the Republicans’ favor. Throw in MOE, and the Pew poll is useless.

[LS]

Whether Rudy represents “conservative values” is not the purpose of the poll. All it does is show whether someone who claims to have “conservative” values, such as Huckabee, has a hope in hell. So far, it appears he does not.

[LS]

My wife keeps asking, rightly, what would he do, what would he BE in a Hillary presidency? USSC justice? UN ambassador? First man?

[rintense]

Trick for conservatives who won’t vote for him.

[LS]

Not really. If you look at the dozen SurveyUSA polls I posted here last week, they give much different results for FL, OH (both of which Rudy, btw, not "rooty." I don't dis Fred as "dead"), or PA, where Rudy is very close. Nor did Q mention NM (Rudy beats Hillary), IA (ditto), or WI and WA where he is very close in very blue states.

In fact, if you bother to look at the SurveyUSA polls I've posted from a dozen states in the last week, three trends stand out:

1) Rudy would win the EC if the election were today, carrying OH, NM, IA, FL, VA, plus being a tossup in WI.

2) McCain would win an even bigger EC vote, being even closer in WA.

3) Rudy not only carries traditional red states like NC and KS (according to SurveyUSA's state-by-state polls, but he wins the key battleground states.

But if you're going to cherry-pick polls, realize that the RealClearPolitics average has either Mitt or Rudy with pretty solid leads in all primary states. So you can't dismiss those polls you don't like.