Posted on 11/03/2007 1:04:35 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
MSM hits a phenomal low.
Hopefully even more Iraqi shall come into the new fold. The improvements are really hard to hide.
You guys are crazy.
Read the last 5 from the bottom up — and this guy is a physician?
If you really want something to gloat about, do a little research about the innocent people Saddam had murdered. Do you remember the innocent civilians he had gassed?. There is one report that states he had between 70 and 125 people killed a day. It seems you would have been happy for him to remain in power.
Actually it seems to me it is Libertineism. They want the freedom to do what ever they want when ever they want with utterly no consequences or responsiblities.
Unfortunately as older, and wiser head realize, freedom has never been, and never will be, free. It bears the highest costs of all, the blood price.
Yes, they seem to attract those who don’t want any restraint on their compulsions (gambling and drugs, for example), glands (sex, for instance, homosexual, prostitution, and probably other perversions like bestiality, necrophilia, or pedophilia), or normal decency. They think the constitution is a suicide pact that should be used to make the world a safer place for tyrants. What weirdos!
Yeah, Harry’s lost his main cause too now.
Yes, hussein was as much of a devout muzzie as adolph julieannie is a devout Catholic. The former CIA assassin and US ally saddam hussein was a brutal tyrant and dictator but, and I really hate to break this to you, the world is full of people just as bad, or worse, than he was.
... you have the right to your opinion but you do not have the right to your own facts ...
Refute anything I posted and I'll stand corrected.
BTW mourn for whom?
Millions of people who are dead, wounded, displaced or otherwise have suffered due to "our" involvement in iraq, including people like me, who have only suffered financially.
Refute anything I posted and I'll stand corrected.
BTW, profanity violates posting rules and doesn't really contribute anything positive to this forum.
As far as your cute little kitty goes, was it meant to intimidate me? Sorry, that's something you just can't do by posting anonymously from your mom's basement. And if my guess that you're a current or former squid is correct, you can't intimidate me period - they saw to that at Parris Island many years ago.
Yes, and I remember that components of that gas were labeled "Made in the USA" (it matters!), and that, when he used it against iranians, he did so with the full knowlege and tacit approval of Bush I and Ronald Reagan. What's your point?
Sorry MNJ, but from past experience on this forum, I can't respond to your questions.
You see, well into my 5th decade of life, the old brain requires intellectual stimulation to stay in shape, and your barrage of personal insults and made-up facts just don't cut it. Plus, when you've been smacked down with the truth to the point where even you know it, you just cut-and-run. No fun in that.
My point is, do you actually believe the average civilian was safer under Saddam?. Have you ever did research on the number of deaths under his rule?.
Yes, I do think that. I've never researched the number of deaths under his rule, but I can't conceive of how civilians could possibly be safer in the midst of 3 wars - a civil war, a war against the occupation of iraq by iraqis, and a war against the occupation by "international (muslim) terrorism" than they were under hussein.
If you do have credible statistics comparing the number of non-natural deaths before/after hussein, I'd be interested in seeing them.
Just because some fool posts something on some website, or some activist group makes a claim in some fund raising newsletter does not make those claims “facts”. Your sources are lying to you.
Rather then mindlessly cling to lies because they validate your emotion based preconceived dogmas, learn how to do some basic research and apply some critical thinking for once in your life.
I’m sure it was a rhetorical question. How can the reporter or authorities know the nature of the murder by simply finding bodies?
Start off by searching for the number he sent to their deaths against war with Iran. Then watch the video of the Kurd gas attacks. Then watch how those who got on the wrong side of him were treated. The video that was taken not long after power of him calling out traitors in his party is a good start. They’ve found hundreds of thousands of bodies in mass graves there. The reality is that you don’t care about this. You care about being “right”. Well F-— you. We’re there, and things are turning around and nothing you post can change that.
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OK, I did as you suggested (googled) & came up with 1.52 million hits. A quick glance at a couple of pages shows "statistics" on the subject ranging from "there were far more civilian deaths under hussein" to "there are far more civilian deaths under the occupation" - happy?
FYI, internet searches and "research" are two, completely different things. I'll google if it makes you happy, but not only am I not interested enough in the subject to put in the time and effort required to get the facts, but I also don't think you could come up with numbers anywhere close to accurate enough to be worth that time and effort.
Plus, such a comparison is, IMO, comparing apples to oranges. By that, let me explain with an analogy.
Remember Waco? Because of a minor, non-violent firearms violation (IIRC), the fedgov of the US besieged a church (full of nuts) for 50+ days, then set fire to it and shot at the people trying to flee, resulting in 80+ murdered men, women and children - burned alive, a death that's got to be as painful as, say, being fed into a wood chipper. Now, some believe that the proper response to that would have been for Americans to rise up and do the very same thing, or as close as possible, to the people who committed that murderous act.
But we, as a people, did absolutely nothing. We just watched it on our big-screen TVs in the comfort of our living rooms, didn't we?
Suppose however, that something else happened in response to those murders - suppose the leaders of Russia had said No! - the people of Russia will not stand back and watch women and children being burned alive in order for an evil branch (FBI/BATF) of an evil gov't. to secure an increase in funding (true reason for Waco).
Suppose those Russians had surgically struck every FBI and BATF office in the US. Suppose they completely wiped out those agencies with no civilian casualties. Suppose that they had obtained international and UN support before they struck. Suppose even, that the US was already under UN sanction for having committed a similar crime at Ruby Ridge not long before.
Would this have been OK with you? You think that we, as a nation, would have accepted their actions? Would your opinion of the rightness or wrongness of the Russian attack be based on whether or not we're better off with/without the FBI/BATF?
If you haven't guessed, my point is that it is the responsibility of the citizens of iraq to deal with, or not deal with, crimes committed against them by their gov't., just as it is our responsibility to deal, or not deal with crimes committed by our govt. against us.
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