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Posted on 11/03/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by casino66
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Faced with increasing violence and unrest, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency Saturday, government sources told CNN.
President Pervez Musharraf has faced a flurry of criticism from opponents in Pakistan.
Musharraf issued an order proclaiming the emergency and suspending the nation's constitution, according to a statement read on state television, and declaring martial law.
Musharraf is scheduled to address the nation at 1800 GMT (2 p.m. ET) Saturday.
The Supreme Court declared the state of emergency illegal, claiming Musharraf had no power to suspend the constitution, Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry told CNN.
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This is beginning to look real nasty and may drag us in a different direction. If AQ were to take over in Pakistan, it would have dire consequences for our mission in the ME.
Not good
Several threads already.
I just noticied and since it is only my second thread, I don’t know how to get it closed. Any help?
You can either hit the abuse button OR address a post to the moderator and ask them to remove it.
To check before posting- type in some keywords in search. That will being up threads on the topic.
Just let it go. This is really big so there will be many more threads. Perhaps a LIVE thread would be of some use in this breaking news situation.
I agree. This is MAJOR news. If Pakistan falls, every Islamist nutgroup in the ME will soon have nuclear weapons. If I were Ahmadinejad, I would be pulling my surrogates out of Iraq right now and storming the borders of Pakistan. Very serious situation.
There’s speculation on another thread that Bin Laden was killed inside Pakistan in the last day or so and the country is being locked down in anticipation of possible riots.
Does anyone think this might be a good thing? If the intend is to sweep the country and make large quantities of terrorist types assume room temperature only using very nasty methods would it be bad? I will wait and see before passing judgment on this. What looks bad in the beginning may not end up that way.
Probablility near zero. Disorder might grow quickly and the country become a basket case, but the nukes will not fall into bad hands.
So long, Usama. Better late than never to the gates of hell for yer sorry self.
Infinitely better.
I agree. Any democracy that puts terrorists in power is no democracy at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads with HEU reserves for 30-52 additional warheads.[8][9] The US Navy Center for Contemporary Conflict estimates that Pakistan possesses between a low of 35 and a high of 95 nuclear warheads, with a median of 60.[10]
The NRDC's and the Carnegie Foundation's estimates of approximately 50 weapons are from 2002-3 estimations. In 2000, US Military intelligence estimated that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal may be as large as 100 warheads.[11]. The actual size is hard for experts to gauge owing to the secrecy which surrounds the program in Pakistan.
Pakistan's nuclear warheads are based on an implosion design that uses a solid core of highly enriched Uranium and requires an estimated 15-20 kg of material per warhead. The NRDC also thinks that Pakistan has also produced a small but unknown quantity of weapons-grade Plutonium, which is sufficient for an estimated 3-5 nuclear weapons per annum based on the estimation of 5 kg of Plutonium per warhead. Pakistan also claims that the fissile cores are stored separately from the other non-nuclear explosive packages which, as the Government of Pakistan states, can be put together rather quickly.
Don't be so pessimistic. The appearance of Bhutto and the closing of the Supreme Court and Parliament IMO signals that Mossh has had enough.
Jihadis should be preparing to meet their virgins.
Just rememeber that Bhutto wouldn't have come to Pakistan without invitation by Moosh, and she has no qualms about calling the jihadis the scuzzballs that they are.
Great comment!
This could be a good thing.
Moderators: Can you combine the various threads on this topic? It’s a really ominous situation. Thanks
YES!
Answering a question regarding Pak-Afghan Peace Jirga, the opposition leader said if the Peace Jirga Declaration is given a deep perusal, it appears that both Afghanistan and Pakistan have vowed to launch a joint venture against Taliban.
Responding a query regarding President Musharraf’s re-election in uniform, Fazlur Rehman said MMA did not give the vote of confidence at the time of 17th amendment in constitution and now it is wholly out of question to vote for re-election of Musharraf in uniform.
RUMOR HAS IT THAT BIN LADEN IS DEAD....CONFIRMED?
Who knows. But OBL should most certainly be looking for alternate accomodatiions.
Moosh is signaling that the succoring of jihadis is soon to end.
Which means that OBL is now a dead man.
I'm still wondering how Moosh is gonna' deal with the heroin kingpins like Hamid Gul (former chief of ISI), who became big heroin wholesalers from their connections to the Taliban and the Afghan warlords.
Heroin is the never, ever discussed engine behind a lot of Pakistan's problems.
The begining of the end.
Islamic “dmocracy” in action. The masses of extremist ne-neanderthals in robes are going to overthrow the handfull of rational leaders at the top and give the Mullahs their atom bomb.
I wonder if the U.S. Navy has tumbled to batteries yet or are they still in the dark (so to speak)?
My question would be; how many do they have the capability to deliver?
During summer the islamics in Bagdad tried to stop citizens buying ice blocks...because "mohammed didn't have ice".....so I guess nuclear weapons are ruled out.
Al Qaeda and the Taliban put a target on Musharraf’s back a while ago so he has nothing to lose by waging total war on them. That may include asking for U.S. air strikes on the terrorists camps which have been growing with impunity for the last few years.
When the mess is cleaned up maybe they can go back to their experiment in democracy.
Wrong century...this is not the mountain whiskey runners vs the Feds.
I thinking the Pakistan mountains will be flattened before the big "takeover". Seriously..I’m sure the "neanderthals" have enough brains to figure out the the dental work involved in such a plan would not be cost effective in the long run.
I have no room left on my wall for award certificates. Prize money still accepted.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307904,00.html
This article from Fox seems to have the latest info.
I'm wondering - hoping - the opposite may be happening.
Heretofore, Musharif has conducted a bombed/backed off/cease fire campaign. His idea or restrictions on him?
India issues a "regrets" statement and we say we're "disappointed" and then we both skip on into hopes for future election, etc. -
I wonder if we aren't all in this together - if Musharif is free of restrictions, might he finally go full bore against AlQ and the Taliban? And might we be poised on the Afghan side of the border there with fire power to stop the overflow - stop dead - and if India isn't also poised on her border.
One thing for sure - we won't be hearing the REAL 'program' on the MSM before it's pretty well moped up...
Which (al Q law) was getting to the tipping point =
Better Martial law than Al-Qaida law.
Better Martial law than Al-Qaida law.
Better Martial law than Al-Qaida law.
Better Martial law than Al-Qaida law.
Bears repeating
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920160/posts
10 Pakistan militants die in mystery strike
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21596823/
bears repeating
The problem as I see it is, if Moosh looks like he is losing cntrol, do we sit by and just watch? If the talibunnies look like they are going to lose, does Iran just sit by and watch? I mean, and wasn’t clear, losing control in a military sense. If Jimma says the next election was straight up and Moosh loses, then so be it.
There may be lessons to learn after all is said and done.....like, Rule number one for a mountain boy, don’t come down off the mountain.
this is my suspicion -
No,. 1 = we now have crack troops just across that region in Afghanistan - the 173rd Airborne Task Force - in the Kunar Region, which OBL considers home and has been seen scooting down the mountainsides to spend the winter in the Korengal Valley -
NO. 1: Heretofore, Musharif's operations have been bomb/cease fire/retreat (due to restrictions?) and let the scum regroup and recoup, getting expedientially stronger...
No 3: India issues a "regrets" and the U.S. is "disappointed" and then both go on to hoping for future free election in Jan.
Those are hardly condemnations. Methinks we may be standing ready on the border of Afghanistan with highly trained boots on the ground and plenty of air cover...and India the same on her borders - now we're about to tighten the noose?
No. 4: Winter is coming on hard in the mountains of the Hindu Kush - the Taliban and al Q go to ground for the winter - and winter is near impossible for successful campaigns there -
NOW is the time to
Were you a general? in a past life? ;0)
She just did -on a CNN interview- she is one outspoken and gutsy lady..
Good point and an important one to remember.
The Western press will first and always remind us of Moosh's "dictatorial rule which began with a military coup against the elected government", and then replay as much Taliban, aQ, and Islamist ranting as they can get their hands on.
They will never bring up the ugly fact that Nawar Sharif - whom Moosh overthrew - is an Islamist controlled by ISI/Hamid Gul (another Islamist and former head of ISI), and that his brother-in-law is/was the biggest heroin dealer in Pakistan (are you beginning to see the pattern?)
Best to keep an eye on the blogs and consider the NYT/Globe/WashPost to be ISI/Islamist counterintelligence.
Here is an interview that hutto did with Al Jazeera(Frost)yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
The political portion is mostly toward the end around 10 minutes into it. It starts out with the attempt on her life when she returned to Pak. All of it is interesting.
Runs about 14 mins.
More on Friday’s mystery strike:
Witnesses say missile hits madrassa founded by Osama’s friend
ISLAMABAD/MIRAN SHAH: A missile attack launched by a US drone aircraft on Friday killed at least ten people and wounded several more near a madrasa run by pro-Al Qaeda Mujahideen in Pakistan’s Waziristan region, witnesses said.
Residents said drones flew over the village of Danday Darpakhel before two missiles hit, one of which destroyed a house formerly owned by Mullah Dadullah, the late Taliban military commander killed in Afghanistan in May 2007.
Local sources said at least 10 militants were killed and a dozen others wounded in Friday’s blast. Two foreigners — usually associated with Al-Qaeda in the tribal regions — were among the dead, they said, quoting injured rebels.
Thanks
Sorry, but this has to be a false article. Where the hell are all of the civilian deaths that are always attributed to out actions? s/
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