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To: ozzymandus

when european descent people are murdered at the hands of others, it is ignored. it is only the mean disgusting white people who are condemned for their actions.

I recently read that syphillus was one of the diseases the american indians gave europeans. I am sure there is more.


39 posted on 11/03/2007 7:58:47 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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Syphillis was around europe long before europeans landed in the new world.


62 posted on 11/03/2007 8:41:23 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: television is just wrong
Amerindians did give Europeans syphilis, and STD--somehow suspect that it didn't reach Europe primarily because Amerindians were raping the Conquistadores....

The transfer of diseases is not something either side is usually blamed for in a harshly critical sense. Neither the Europeans nor the Amerindians were aware of how the diseases were passed on. The Europeans did not intend to infect the Amerindians, but they did. Estimates range from about half to a whopping 90+% (extreme range) of the Amerindian population died of diseases brought by the Europeans. Was it the Europeans 'fault?' Technically, it was, but--again--it was accidental. Was it the Amerindians' 'fault' for giving Europe syphilis? Technically, it was, but it was accidental.

The first recorded 'biological warfare' was from American colonists giving Amerindians cloths saturated with smallpox-bearing puss as 'gifts.' And there are probably other diseases which went from the Americas to Europe, but the Macroevolutionary model would suggest that the Americas should have relatively few human-targeting diseases. Africa has the most because in their view Africa has had humans the longest, so diseases could have plenty of time to form varieties to attack humans. Eurasia was the second continent to be colonized, so it should have the second-most number of human diseases (native). Then Australia. And then the Americas. After that, Oceania. While of the opinion that Macroevolution is basically bunk, the evidence seems to support their model. The Amerindian, and to a lesser extent--if only because of less contact--the Pacific Islander populations were decimated upon contact with Old Worlders, almost invariably Europeans/European descendants.

Also, because Eurasia had--and has--the largest population, diseases can more easily spread from human to human in a dense population. The Black Death spread across Eurasia, and around of third of the European population is estimated to have died. So the survivors would be more resistant (because their ancestors may have been--some were lucky enough to live in rural places or not be infected). And Amerindians today are about as resistant to diseases as their European, African, and Asian descended neighbors for the same reason.

Sort of went off on a tangent.....

Anyway, agree with you that racism toward European descendants is often overlooked, and that this is bad not only on a principled level, but also because it breeds resentment and anger--they same for racism toward other groups.

129 posted on 11/04/2007 1:07:36 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: television is just wrong

The indians in America introduced tobacco to the “white eyes”.

There have been hundreds of millions of deaths, including black americans, due to tobacco. PS, the indians gave us tobacco.

The people who blame the whites for all these things and do not look at their own weaknesses are what they are. A bunch of racists.

It is why we have the 2nd amendment.


359 posted on 11/23/2007 8:44:31 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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