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Giuliani: a Pugilist From Birth (Manhattan-sized Barf Alert)
AP/GOOGLE ^ | 03 NOVEMBER 2007 | NANCY BENAC

Posted on 11/03/2007 8:06:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

WASHINGTON (AP) — Rudy Giuliani minces no words and suffers no fools. He eats peanuts with the shells still on.

"I don't wink and nod," he says. "I am a very direct person."

It is a statement of the obvious — an understatement, really — to any New Yorker who lived through Giuliani's years as mayor, and one that the rest of the nation still is coming to understand.

The boy from Brooklyn who got his first boxing gloves as a toddler and developed a passion for opera at age 6 is a man of contradictions.

He is the leader whose steadiness and compassion helped bring calm after 9/11, and whose volcanic eruptions of pique have come to be known as the "full Rudy."

He is the man of a thousand insults who imposed a civility campaign on in-your-face New Yorkers.

He is the man who dreamed of becoming a priest and has worked his way up to three marriages.

There is an operatic quality to Giuliani's story, with its twisting plot lines, heroes and villains, optimism and despair. And, there is plenty of passion and conflict.

Giuliani, it seems, wakes up every morning looking to pick a fight that he can win, a welcome quality when the bad guys are clear-cut, less admirable when they're not.

Targets have ranged from the windshield squeegee men who intimidated New York motorists to the police chief who helped to tame the city's crime problem (and got too much of the credit, in Giuliani's view).

Now, Giuliani is in his biggest fight ever — the race for the presidency — and at age 63, a new scene is unfolding.

The story so far: An only child is born to doting yet demanding parents. The boy is smart and hardworking and thrives in the moral exactitude of a Catholic education. The JFK Democrat restyles himself as a Reagan Republican. His pursuit of the law is a natural fit. His career in politics is a more hard-fought endeavor that brings him both acclaim and contempt.

All this is largely forgotten when the Twin Towers fall.

Asked to predict the death toll, Giuliani answers with his heart rather than his head:

"The number of casualties will be more than any of us can bear ultimately."

In those dark moments, Giuliani draws on the best that is in him.

But that is to leap ahead in the story.

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Rudolph William Louis Giuliani's first memories involve combat, of sorts. He was born May 28, 1944, in Brooklyn, within earshot of Ebbets Field, undisputedly Dodgers territory. Rudy's father Harold dressed him in a Yankees uniform, a dangerous anomaly in that part of town. "That experience has something to do with my character and personality," Giuliani said years later. "I had to physically defend myself from neighborhood kids."

Giuliani's father, a plumber turned bartender, gave his son boxing gloves. His mother's gift, no less challenging, was her high expectations.

"If you came home with a 90, she'd say, 'How come it's not 95?'" Giuliani recalled.

Giuliani still recalls how his father drilled into him the importance of doing right. He didn't learn until decades later that before his father preached rectitude, he had served time in Sing-Sing in the 1930s for robbing a milkman.

In 1961, Giuliani graduated from Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School, an all-scholarship school that took only the brightest from New York's parishes. He signed up to become a priest, but decided he liked girls more than piety. He enrolled in premed, but decided he liked ideas more than biology.

It would be the law, then.

Giuliani landed as an assistant in the U.S. Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York, a premier office for a young prosecutor. He distinguished himself as demanding but fair.

Bob Leuci, a detective who spent years helping the prosecutors to uncover police corruption, developed a friendship with Giuliani but saw a "hardening" set in.

Nuances gave way to black and white. Giuliani was so sure of himself he seemed to listen with one ear shut, Leuci recalls.

"As time went on, he had less patience for people who made mistakes in their lives," said Leuci.

___

Giuliani landed as the No. 3 man at the Justice Department when Ronald Reagan took office, then headed back to New York to become U.S. attorney. His mother saw it as a demotion. Giuliani turned it into the launching pad for a run at the mayor's job.

On his second try, Giuliani convinced New Yorkers he was the cure for a city so sick that Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan had described it as "defining deviancy down."

His achievements are the stuff of lore — crime down 56 percent, welfare rolls slashed nearly 60 percent, taxes cut 23 times. So are his domineering style and petulance.

Things were getting done, but vexations grew. Giuliani's relations with minorities, strained at the beginning, only got worse. He refused even to meet with top black officials; his tight circle of advisers came to be regarded as a super-loyal coterie of "yes-Rudys;" his enemies list grew longer by the day.

Mark Green, a liberal Democrat who served as the city's public advocate when Giuliani was mayor, captures both sides of the Giuliani coin:

"He was unusually hardworking, smart, competent," Green begins, finishing the list with a different tone: "authoritarian, divisive and interpersonally imperialistic."

Giuliani shrugs off criticism of his operating style, pointing to the results.

"Life can get rancorous," Giuliani wrote in his book. "This is not always a bad thing."

But even New Yorkers grew tired of Giuliani's schtick.

___

By 2000, his second mayoral term was running out of gas. Giuliani set his sights on the U.S. Senate but then was diagnosed with prostate cancer.

In an only-in-New York news conference, Giuliani discussed his cancer diagnosis, spoke publicly of his "very good friend" (and future wife) Judith Nathan and left open the door to pulling out of the Senate race.

And, for good measure, he tossed out the news that he was seeking a legal separation from Donna Hanover — in effect informing his second wife via news conference that their marriage was over.

Giuliani pulled out of the Senate race and tackled his disease with the same outta-here attitude he had used to muscle mobsters and squeegee guys.

He was still mayor, and "having to perform — being needed — got me through," he recalled.

On Sept. 11, 2001, when first word came that a plane had struck the World Trade Center, Giuliani sped to the scene.

Fire Commissioner Tom Von Essen remembers Giuliani, his face caked with dust, advising passers-by to "keep walking north" and coaching them to "take it easy, just keep walking."

In the hours and days that followed, the righteous certainty that had grated on New Yorkers in earlier days was exactly what they now wanted.

Oprah dubbed him America's Mayor. Queen Elizabeth knighted him. Time named him Person of the Year.

Exit stage left, Giuliani the political pariah; enter stage right, Giuliani the stuff of presidential speculation.

Gradually, though, questions grew about Giuliani's leadership, related to events before and after 9/11:

Had he done enough to equip firefighters for such a crisis? Why didn't he do more to protect the health of workers at Ground Zero? Should he have known better than to put the city's command center in the World Trade Center complex?

The questions linger, but Giuliani's performance during the ordeal remains the cornerstone of his presidential persona.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; rudy

1 posted on 11/03/2007 8:06:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

LMAQO!! Rudy is a con man!!!!


2 posted on 11/03/2007 8:11:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>The JFK Democrat restyles himself as a Reagan Republican.

Bull! Rooty`s still a liberal Democrat. In fact, he's the anti-Reagan!

3 posted on 11/03/2007 8:12:04 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Got that right!

Rudy's nominated = 3rd party

4 posted on 11/03/2007 8:12:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

He’s the only Republican running...who might make me sit out the election.


5 posted on 11/03/2007 8:14:06 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He eats peanuts with the shells still on.

So do I. This pisses me off. It took me years to even be able to eat peanuts again after Carter, now, I suppose, I'm going to have to start shelling them before eating them. It's just not fair.

6 posted on 11/03/2007 8:27:16 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Rudy has been the next president since 9-11-2001.

By all means, let there be primaries, caucuses, etc. They serve to confer legitimacy upon the eventual winner, who will be Giuliani.

Most folds here don’t want to hear it but I’m just the messenger. You got six moonths before the inevitable. Then you’ll bave to choose between Rudy and the klinton dynasty.


7 posted on 11/03/2007 8:32:09 PM PDT by Ceebass
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Yeah, he's a pugilist all right.

Rudy Giuliani's an effeminate little New York City lawyer who talks with a lisp and has probably never gotten in a fight in his life.

8 posted on 11/03/2007 9:04:16 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Dear SJB:

Nope, he's the real deal.

I grew up in New York; have plenty of family and friends still working there and living there - several of whom are cops.

The stinky squeegy guys- ran them out.

The nasty peep shows - ran them out.

Schools were falling down while folks at Liberty Street were collecting fat paychecks but couldn't tell people what they did to earn their money - ran them out.

Taxes were ridiculously high - brought them down.

Cops needed more money and support - got it.

A friend was seriously wounded (shot in the head) in the line of duty. While Stinkens was anxious for the quick phony photo-op, Rudy showed up without any cameras and stayed for quite a while. He visited several times - WITHOUT CAMERAS. No bullsh*t, no publicity, just a genuine concern for a police officer. Made a believer of our my friend.

You may not agree with his convictions, but he definitely has them. Unlike Shrilliary, he does a whole lot more than talk.

Despite all of this, I will not be voting for Rudy in the primary. I'm still waffling between Fred and Duncan Hunter.

9 posted on 11/03/2007 9:48:01 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 14 Years)
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To: TheWriterTX
"Nope, he's the real deal."

I would have to strenously disagree with you.

He's the REAL LIBERAL as anyone willing to look at his record will find out:

1. Pro-Gay Agenda
2. Anti-2nd amendment
3. Pro-Abortion
4. Pro illegal immigration
5. Weak on fiscal matters. You only mentioned his tax cutting. He also fought to keep some lion-sized taxes and ran up a HUGE deficit.

We've had a ton of Rudy-Tooters here at Free-Republic only mention what they viewed as the good stuff about Rudy without mentioning the load of bad stuff.

Rudy is probably the least qualified Republican to ever run for President!
10 posted on 11/04/2007 2:28:20 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The boy from Brooklyn who got his first boxing gloves as a toddler and developed a passion for opera at age 6

One point, and one question...

1, Congenital pussy and whining liberal bi-atch, liberal demonRAT dingy harry used to box EONS ago. So what? NOW, Jay Leno's gay intern could kick his ass (albeit, in a slap fest).

2. When did liberal RINO-rudy attain his fondness for gays and cross-dressing? (about the time he fell for opera?).

11 posted on 11/04/2007 3:17:04 AM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: Ceebass
"By all means, let there be primaries, caucuses, etc. They serve to confer legitimacy upon the eventual winner, who will be Giuliani."

Although Rudy isn't my personal first or second pick, I agree and have been the messenger also. Jim Rob even went as far as telling me to switch my nick to 'moonbat'. LOL

12 posted on 11/04/2007 3:41:39 AM PST by moonman
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To: TheWriterTX

One thing we canagree on is he cared for cops.

He may have done some good things, but his position on others are not what we need right now. Hunter and to a lesser extent Thompson are acceptable.


13 posted on 11/04/2007 7:56:44 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thompson/Hunter 08.


14 posted on 11/04/2007 7:57:12 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Dear SoCon:

If you check my original post, my objection was to the initial poster claiming he was a fraud. He's not a fraud; if he believes in something, he will fight for it tooth and nail.

He has convictions; some good, some bad.

Finally, I also mentioned that I would not be voting for him. Despite the good that he's done for NY, he's too liberal for me. I'm leaning towards Fred or Duncan, as indicated above.

So I'm trying to figure out where, exactly, we disagree?

15 posted on 11/04/2007 11:27:50 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 14 Years)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
With you on this, SJB!

I'm a Declarationist/Constitutionalist in my outlook; hardline unapologetic conservative Christian. Rudy's way to the left of me on the core issues! The only major thing we see eye-to-eye on is the War on Terror.

Otherwise, he would be a disaster when it came to the moral issues confronting our society, and our society needs MORE moral fiber, not more moral largesse!

16 posted on 11/04/2007 11:33:19 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 14 Years)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Rudy’s nominated = 3rd party”

Your threats of political suicide are not going to influence my vote.


17 posted on 11/04/2007 11:45:40 PM PST by willk
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