Posted on 11/04/2007 5:42:45 AM PST by libstripper
Here’s one hilarious comment from the article-—>>
Pro-American: First of all, you & all your pro-Paul cronies should STOP falsely stating that HE is “the only” candidate that will HONESTLY follow The Constitution...Dennis Kucinich ACTUALLY carries a copy The Constitution around in HIS POCKET!!! Furthermore, how can Ron Paul (or ANY of his advocates) be considered ETHICAL, when this “dr.” doesn’t have a healthplan to truly take care of giving AFFORDABLE healthcare to the poor & middle class?!?!?! As for EXPERIENCE & a HISTORY PROVING that ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...Kucinich has it ALL OVER HIM (Ron Paul)!!!
Welcome aboard-——you and whatshizname must be the cheapskate and freeloader of FR fame.
Nice to meetcha.
A day after Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani expelled Yasir Arafat from a concert for world leaders at Lincoln Center, the Clinton Administration sharply criticized the Mayor yesterday for what Washington officials called an embarrassing breach of international diplomacy.
Mr. Giuliani, clearly relishing the controversy, insisted that he could never forgive and play host to Mr. Arafat even though the Palestinian leader has been embraced as a peacemaker by the Israeli and United States Governments.
A spokesman for the United States Mission to the United Nations said the Administration made it clear to the city that Mr. Arafat, the chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, could be invited to local events. Mr. Clinton invited him to a White House reception on Sunday.
"We regard the incident as unfortunate in light of the constructive role that Chairman Arafat has played in the Mideast peace process," said the spokesman, James P. Rubin. A senior Administration official in Washington, who insisted on not being identified, went even further, saying the incident on Monday night was "an embarrassment to everyone associated with diplomacy."
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The Mayor said Mr. Arafat was never invited to the concert, but was given a ticket to it by a country the Mayor did not identify. A P.L.O. official disputed that statement, saying Mr. Arafat was given tickets by the official organizing committee.
"The Mayor is not telling the truth," said Muin Shreim, counselor for the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations. "I personally picked up the tickets from the New York City Host Committee. He is lying. It was an envelope marked 'Palestine.' There were three tickets inside."
I don't recall that Rooty Toot ever offered evidence that this was untrue.
I take it you are another one of the Rooty Rooters who thinks that mayors have the authority to make foreign policy.
The invitations were provided to the media.
EXCERPT
Ignoring demands that he apologize, the mayor told Reuters, “”I’m very proud of the fact that I did it. I’d do it all over again. ...
The tough former federal prosecutor, in a series of interviews throughout the day, also said Arafat should have been grateful the city spent a lot of money protecting him.
But Arafat was not grateful.
He was reported to be outraged at the mayor’s action in sending an aide over to him during a performance of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony at Lincoln Center to tell the Palestine Liberation Organization leader to leave because he had not been invited in the first place.
The New York Post, which broke the story Tuesday, quoted Arafat as telling two journalists that he had told the aide, Giuliani chief of staff Randy Mastro, to “”Go to Hell.’’
The PLO leader said he left when he felt like it, midway through the concert, meaning that he missed the ``Ode to Joy’’ grand finale, a hymn to the brotherhood of mankind.
The mayor says that the PLO leader was pointedly not invited to the symphony at Lincoln Center, but the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations disagreed and produced an invitation to prove it.
The invitation was from the chief of protocol to the United Nations and it specifically stated that the head of the Palestinian delegation and three guests were being invited. The mission also produced the letter it sent accepting the invitation and saying it was “”an honor’’ to be invited.
NONE of us were fans of Arafat. But that's not the point. The reality is that Arafat was allowed in the country on a diplomatic visa for a UN event, he was invited to the concert at Lincoln Center and Rooty embarrassed the United States of America by throwing him out.
Mayors DO NOT make foreign policy, the Executive Branch does.
>> I ask Rudy haters here...who do you think Ronald Reagan would vote for in a Rudy/Hillary matchup???
Not that I’m a “hater”, but Reagan might say:
“Ask me again after the primaries.”
Oh, that’s right, we got all embarrassed in front of our buddies at the U.N...and also Clinton, the New York Times, and David Dinkins disapproved loudly as well...boohoo
You don’t get it. Whether we voted for him or not, the president has the authority to make foreign policy not a mayor.
I got it, alright. Sometimes, however, Americans have to stand up for what they think is the right thing to do. To me, this is one of those cases. We’ll just have to disagree.
No one is working to put Hillary into the White House, but we are certainly working to keep Rudy Giuliani out!
Every, and I mean every, time the Republicans elect a not-quite-conservative-enough candidate the party drifts a little more to the left. And, curiously enough, the party is seriously listing to port now and support is waning.
It is far past time to say enough is enough and take a stand. You can call it true conservative BS if you like, but in a few more election cycles you won't be able to tell a wit's difference between pubbies and dems if the current trend is not reversed.
I just love how the Rudy supporters tell us how he fought the terrorists ... all from the comforts of a suite in NYC. They make it sound like he had on fatigues and was throwing grenades or something. Sheesh, he denied himself breakfast once ... what a leader!!! what a fighter!!!
But that’s not the question...
ANYONE who lived in NYC pre Guiliani knows that Guiliani is a tough leader who gets things done. I left NY right before Rudy took office because it was becoming an unlivable city. When I returned in 2001 I was flabbergasted at the change. He took a dying city and revitalized it. That is undeniable. The libs HATED him...The press HATED him...the special interest leaders HATED HIM...that’s why I like him so much.
Well, I’m back and not disappointed to see that the silliness continued while I was gone. Oh the temptation is great to strike back and actually engage in a debate with these two protagonists, but I don’t want to fight unarmed wo/men.
Dear wagglebee:
Talk about someone who is “facts challenged”! The twin towers are private property and not subject to his oversight. They are owned jointly by New York and New Jersey. All the mayor of New York can do is appoint s couple of the representatives on the managing board of commissioners. The Governors of NY and NJ appoint their representatives. It wasn’t up to Rudy to do anything other than see that all of the NYC building codes were enforced.
BTW. It is estimated that there were over 30, 000 people in the towers when the first plane hit. There were less than 1,500 in the buildings when they came down. Even in your small brain, it should be obvious that there would be many more than the less than 2000 deaths in the attack. So much for your spurious point of an evacuation plan! This is the first mention of this topic in these threads. How many of these are “untold” I don’t know. Please do a little more reading on facts before you embarrass yourself more than you have.
As far as your silly comment “How’s that for safeguarding the people of New York against terrorists” goes. See the above numbers and see if you want to ask that question again.
Point two – The 1993 bombing was treated as a violation of law and pursued as a legal matter and not a terrorist act. It was turned over to the FBI as a federal crime.
To paraphrase Mark twain – “it is better to have everyone think you are silly than to open your keyboard and remove all doubt.”
Now on to calcowgirl:
“the Clinton Administration sharply criticized” doesn’t sound like an official reprimand. Heck! It was more of an official comment from this administration when on TV I heard and saw the famous “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” Sounds more official than the objective identity of “the Clinton Administration”. Where is the resolution by congress critters or the state department? Maybe he was grandstanding, so what. He did something that needed to be done. He saw through the spin that Arafat was an agent of peace. You might be making an argument that Rudy sees the truth better than all of these other folks. He knew that Arafat was a fraud when all of these enlightened Politically Correct spineless critters were in fear that they wouldn’t be “liked” by the press and all of the nice people.
As far as the other arguments in your post about he said/ she said, so what. You thought that they would say that there were no tickets? It doesn’t matter if there were tickets or not. It was not an Official US or UN function with all of the diplomatic niceties and pleasantries that accompany such events. It was a social gathering and no politics applied. You can try to spin all of your arguments away from facts, but they have this nagging persistence of not going away.
Arafat was invited by the UN to make a speech. The initiation was allowed by the state department and he did give his speech. The Lincoln Center function was not a diplomatic function it was a social function.
It took someone, even if he was grandstanding, to stand up to a terrorist and call a spade a spade and not coddle this fraud.
Wagglebee and calcowgirl - I will not consider any of your arguments worthy of response as long as they are not based on facts and driven by emotion that ignores facts. A silly argument about evacuation plans (which were reviewed and approved by the City, and which obviously worked well) and administration spokesperson criticized sure don’t sound compelling about Rudy breaking diplomatic or US laws. And even if it were true, how does the courage of these weak wrist, lame criticisms match up to the courage of Rudy’s act. Your arguments are as weak as their criticisms.
Your arguments support the idea that Rudy was more of a leader than all of our current (at that time) elected officials could ever hope to be. He saw the fraud and the terrorist that only begrudgingly are acknowledged today years later. It sounds as if all of the media leaders, Government officials, UN diplomats and just about every other world leader were blind to what Rudy could see with clarity.
Everyone I guess other than you two.
More for my argument that this act of leadership presages the leadership that he would show on 9/11.
Just to refresh all of you who are following this thread: It all started on the premise that Rudy’s 9/11 performance was not all that it was stacked up to be. I brought up the fact that he showed leadership against terrorism with his rough treatment of Yasser Arafat; it quickly degenerated into evacuation plans and hurting just about everybody’s feelings.
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