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When Fred Met Tim: Evaluating Thompson on Meet The Press
The National Review ^ | Sunday, November 04, 2007 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/04/2007 6:37:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: EternalVigilance

You can take much comfort in your own purity of thought, ideals and action. Meanwhile, nobody is paying the slightest attention.


81 posted on 11/04/2007 10:32:29 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: EternalVigilance
What's wrong with the idea of protecting all innocent human life, since that's the exact principle America was founded upon?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and that's what states are for.

82 posted on 11/04/2007 10:33:48 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm not negotiating.

I simply want to win the next election to keep Hillary out of power.

If your pro-life beliefs lead you to prefer Hillary over Fred or "fill in the blank" then this forum has lost its reason to exist.

Go vote for Hillary, or, just as effective, don't vote for the Republican nominee, and live with the legacy of her rule.

You heart will be pure, but our country will suffer.

Nothing is "non-negotiable" in the real world.

We all need to get a clue.

83 posted on 11/04/2007 10:34:50 PM PST by rebel_yell2
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To: TAdams8591

I guess the first casualty in your world would be the Constitution.


84 posted on 11/04/2007 10:35:09 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: rebel_yell2

If I am, then God help us all.


85 posted on 11/04/2007 10:35:49 PM PST by rebel_yell2
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To: John Valentine
The PREAMBLE of the Constitution has exactly NO Constitutional or jurisprudential signficance.

Except for the fact that it is the pretext for the entire document.

Nowhere in the Constitution itself can you find the idea that the preamble is not binding. In fact, nowhere in the document is it even called a preamble. We just call it that for the reasons of identification. It is the cornerstone for the Constitution, laid first, intrinsic to any decent understanding of it.

86 posted on 11/04/2007 10:36:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: TAdams8591
Then why didn't we decide slavery the same way John?

Are you suggesting a new Civil War?

87 posted on 11/04/2007 10:37:55 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: rebel_yell2

It’s you that’s fixated on Hillary, not me. No decent human being would ever cast a vote for that corrupt Leftist.

FR is, as Jim has said many, many times, here as a vehicle to fight liberalism. And nothing is more liberal, in the pejorative sense, than the destruction of the very reasons for the existence of government in general, and our government in particular.


88 posted on 11/04/2007 10:40:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: EternalVigilance
Nowhere in the Constitution itself can you find the idea that the preamble is not binding.

Cite me ONE instance of a prescriptive statement that could even potentially be considered a binding provision in the "preamble".

Then cite me even ONE case where a decision of the Supreme Court was grounded in that statement.

I'll wait.

89 posted on 11/04/2007 10:40:56 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: rebel_yell2
Nothing is "non-negotiable" in the real world.

Rove, is that you?

90 posted on 11/04/2007 10:41:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: John Valentine

Is the Preamble the pretext for the document or not?

Why would you excise the paragraph that the founders gave us to understand what was to follow?


91 posted on 11/04/2007 10:42:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

while I disagree that the WBTS was simply over slavery, ending abortion could be a fight one day

no doubt....amongst many other culture issues

it’s killed many times the number the North American bound slave trade did...and counting.

Fred seems ambivalent.


92 posted on 11/04/2007 10:42:57 PM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: John Valentine

it’s one thing to say you can’t get a constitutional amendment to ban abortion outright versus you don’t want one

that is what troubles me about Fred

as much as George Bush aggravates me on some issues I imagine he would support such an amendment


93 posted on 11/04/2007 10:44:35 PM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: John Valentine
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and that's what states are for.

According to the writers and signers of the Declaration of Independence, that's what all human government is for, explicitly. And most particularly the government they were setting up. The United States of America.

94 posted on 11/04/2007 10:44:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In terms of personalities you are spot on.


95 posted on 11/04/2007 10:47:32 PM PST by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: rebel_yell2
I'm not negotiating.

I'm not either. That's why I've made my viws abundantly clear. I'll fight any party that doesn't stand for equality before the law, the personhood of every individual, and the Constitution of the United States. Just as hard as I fight the Democrats.

America already has one evil party. It doesn't need a second.

96 posted on 11/04/2007 10:47:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: EternalVigilance

The signers of the Declaration of Independence weren’t setting up any government at all. They were declaring that the colonies, the predecessors of our present day States, were henceforth independent of England.

Later, these same States relinquished SOME of their powers to the newly created Federal Government. But, the vehicle by which THAT was accomplished was NOT the Declaration of Independence. Not by YEARS.

The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are two DIFFERENT documents with differing significance for our history and for our jurisprudence.


97 posted on 11/04/2007 10:56:32 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt and Rudy are “slightly” to the left of Hillary Clinton.

Please get a grip on reality.

98 posted on 11/04/2007 10:59:16 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: John Valentine

It is impossible to rightly understand the Constitution apart from the Declaration. The Declaration is the spirit of the Constitution.


99 posted on 11/04/2007 11:07:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP is now being chaired by the political directors at NBCBSABCNNFOX..)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is the Preamble the pretext for the document or not?

I'm not sure what you mean by "pretext". The Constitution embodies every word from first to last, but not all the words are imbued with equal importance or significance.

Why would you excise the paragraph that the founders gave us to understand what was to follow?

Of course, I would not excise any part of the Constitution. Neither would I elevate any part of it to a status that does not naturally accrue to it by virtue of its place in the document and the significance and import of its content. Some parts that may be very inspirational have little or no juriprudential relevance.

Your devotion to the Declaration of Independence is apparently at least equal to mine. It is literally one of the finest expressions of the human impulse to freedom and self determination ever penned by the hand of man. I could call it inspirational, and it would be an understatement. But despite my love for the document, I would not be honest if I did not concede the fact that it does not have jurisprudential significance.

100 posted on 11/04/2007 11:13:34 PM PST by John Valentine
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