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Where Do You Stand on America's Wealth Spectrum?
Yahoo ^ | 6 November 2007 | Lee Eisenberg

Posted on 11/06/2007 5:49:23 AM PST by shrinkermd

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To: Mad Dawg

fro is for from. Careless typing. But I am rich so you cannot criticize me {ahahhahahaha}


41 posted on 11/06/2007 6:37:50 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
Damn! I am rich! Who knew!

The Rev-rhund Sharpton says that you must increase your taxes paid next year, then! Pay up!

42 posted on 11/06/2007 6:39:42 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Mad Dawg

I feel better already.


43 posted on 11/06/2007 6:42:01 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: OB1kNOb

That is mean!!

Begone poor man, I shall consult my many tax advisors and find some loopholes to protect my wealth.


44 posted on 11/06/2007 6:44:16 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: shrinkermd

“If you’re a teacher married to a policeman, your combined household income puts you in the top 25 percent of all households in the nation.”

On Long Island the yearly salary for this couple would exceed $200,000 with tremendous benefits (almost nothing out of pocket). If the Police Officer hubby works a little overtime they can get the annual payola over $250K.As well, when they both retire their yearly incomes can approach their working incomes (perhaps exceed)depending on how many vacation, sick days they cash in and how much OT they work their last three years, all going towards their gross income. God Bless our politicians in the State of New York and the Long Island Counties for making our teachers and cops very wealthy (sarcasm). I feel sick....


45 posted on 11/06/2007 6:45:10 AM PST by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: shrinkermd
The balance of the article is about the amount of financial handholding the finance industry hands out as the level of assets rises. Not stated is the demonstrable fact that the extra hand holding, in the aggregate, does not help those whose hands are being held earn anything more, and in fact costs them considerably in useless fees. The second half of the article would have been more honest if the tone had been "and once you have this much, the leeches will swarm to batten on and take their 1-2% per year, if you let them".

The article is trying desperately to pretend it is some stacked deck game, when anyone with anything to invest can assure himself better than average returns by using low fee indexes. Actively managed instead can only make more somewhere if another actively managed makes less. In the aggregate, they too have to get the average return - minus the vastly higher fees involved.

The other things missing in the whole article are age and household size breakdowns. Two married workers in mid to late career are going to count as "rich" unless they have been financially irresponsible their entire lives. A single person just out of college isn't going to have any assets, outside a tiny second generation trust fund set.

46 posted on 11/06/2007 6:47:52 AM PST by JasonC
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To: cajungirl

LOL! Poor man - that’s me!


47 posted on 11/06/2007 6:49:42 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Graybeard58

Of course it is all relative. I made more than $170K per year for several years but I don’t feel rich. I save as much as possible. I drive old cars ( all my cars have over 125K miles. I live a very conservative life style. I don’t have a lot of toys (ATV, boats). I tithe to my church, make house payments in Southern Cal, and after taxes I don’t save over 15% of my salary. It would be hard to survive in SoCal making $80K and 2 kids in college. The stats I find appalling is the net worth. 50% of the people have less than $60K. You can’t retire with just SS, our children are going to have a huge problem when SS goes up in smoke.


48 posted on 11/06/2007 6:50:28 AM PST by cromero
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To: shrinkermd

Get to the top by spending like you’re at the bottom.


49 posted on 11/06/2007 6:53:37 AM PST by Soren
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To: shrinkermd

Median world income is about $2 per person per day.
If you’re making more than half the world’s population, you’re not poor.


50 posted on 11/06/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Tenacious 1
In their posh existence of power, popularity and self indulgence, they pander to their peers and bloviate their egomaniacal views and opinions to anyone that will listen in an effort to prop up their self worth. Their existence is sold as a charitable service to this nation and future generations.

Very nicely stated.

It's all about the peer pressure: as long as the values of the peer group demand socialism and anti-Americanism as a sign of being a member of the 'enlightened', then that's what we will get.

It may have been a fatal mistake to cede control of the universities and the schools to the left, because that is where this peer pressure originates and is perpetuated.

51 posted on 11/06/2007 6:59:09 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: cromero

Our children may not have as hard a time as you envision providing we all die and they rollover our IRAs and Keoughs and let them continue to earn tax free.

Plus they inherit the house at the stepped up value.

They, many of them, are gonna get windfalls.


52 posted on 11/06/2007 7:01:10 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: shrinkermd
Freeper economist needed.

The article makes the following statement:

Net worth, as every financially precocious schoolchild knows, is the sum of one's assets -- home equity, investments, savings accounts, retirement funds, cars, furnishings and such things as jewelry, furs, wine collection, old baseball cards -- minus all outstanding liabilities such as mortgage balance, revolving and credit card debt, college loans and so on

Is this correct (see the bold): net worth includes "home equity"... minus "mortgage balance"? Shouldn't this be "home value" minus "mortgage balance"?

53 posted on 11/06/2007 7:01:19 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

yep.


54 posted on 11/06/2007 7:02:27 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Huck

We left $110k to move our kids to a better environment. After we moved, it took 7 years to get us to half of that.


55 posted on 11/06/2007 7:05:03 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: shrinkermd
Does anyone know where to find more finely divided percentile break points?

This had 20% groups except for the top two were 10%, and it had figures for the median of each group. I guess that means the actual figures then were for the 10th, 30th, 50th, 70th, 85th and 95th percentiles. I would like to see the break points for income and wealth in 5% or even 1% increments.

56 posted on 11/06/2007 7:06:30 AM PST by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: bobsatwork
A lifelong accumulated wealth of $860k does NOT have you rubbing shoulders with those who make $25Mil per movie. Those "wealth" categories are working-class categories.

Exactly. A family with a lifelong accumulated wealth of $860k will typically have a modest 3 bedroom home on a half acre plot in a suburb, with two moderate cars and without any "extras" such as a boat, vacation home, timeshare, etc

57 posted on 11/06/2007 7:12:05 AM PST by kidd
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To: ctdonath2
Median world income is about $2 per person per day. If you’re making more than half the world’s population, you’re not poor.

This is a point I continually try to drive home to my children. They have no idea what "poor" really is. My wife, who goes on mission trips to Peru, has seen it, as have I (spending 3 years in a third-world country during jr. high will open your eyes). I hope and pray that my children understand how blessed they are.

58 posted on 11/06/2007 7:12:46 AM PST by Bat_Chemist (The devil has already outsmarted every athiest.)
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To: Designer
Who are the ones making LESS than $40,000?

*Raises hand*

And that's with a college degree. Of course, salaries in my area are somewhat low.
59 posted on 11/06/2007 7:16:27 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
"..salaries in my area are somewhat low."

I meant no disrespect to you, and I agree that it does make a difference on your locality. The trade-off is a more wholesome lifestyle and less stress.

60 posted on 11/06/2007 7:30:16 AM PST by Designer
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