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To: Tailgunner Joe
Fred Thompson was well into a prolonged dialogue about abortion with interviewer Tim Russert on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday when he said something stunning for social conservatives: "I do not think it is a wise thing to criminalize young girls and perhaps their parents as aiders and abettors." He then went further: "You can't have a (federal) law" that "would take young, young girls ... and say, basically, we're going to put them in jail." Those comments sent e-mails flying across the country reflecting astonishment and rage by pro-life Republicans who had turned to Thompson as their best presidential bet for 2008. No anti-abortion legislation ever has proposed criminal penalties against women having abortions, much less their parents. Jailing women is a spurious issue raised by abortion rights activists. What Thompson said could be expected from NARAL.

Wow. Did he really say that? Did he really just poke a finger in the eye of the pro-life cause that he claims to support? No wonder pro-life leaders (like Dr. John Willke, James Bopp, etc.) are endorsing Mitt Romney and not Fred Thompson. To say that those who have dedicated their lives to fighting to preserve the sanctity of life and protect the unborn want to put "young, young girls in jail" is highly offensive. When liberal, pro-abortion Rudy Giuliani said something like this in February, he was soundly condemned here on Free Republic and elsewhere by conservative pro-lifers. And, as this article states, it is the sort of thing that would come from NARAL, not a Republican candidate.

119 posted on 11/08/2007 5:38:22 AM PST by Spiff (<------ Click here for updated polling results. Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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To: Spiff
Wow. Did he really say that?

Since you apparently didn't watch the interview or read the transcript here it is.

MR. RUSSERT: Let me ask you about an issue very important in your party’s primary process, and that’s abortion.

MR. THOMPSON: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: This is the 2004 Republican Party platform, and here it is: “We say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution,” “we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions.” Could you run as a candidate on that platform, promising a human life amendment banning all abortions?

MR. THOMPSON: No.

MR. RUSSERT: You would not?

MR. THOMPSON: No. I have always—and that’s been my position the entire time I’ve been in politics. I thought Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. I think this platform originally came out as a response to particularly Roe v. Wade because of that. Before Roe v. Wade, states made those decisions. I think people ought to be free at state and local levels to make decisions that even Fred Thompson disagrees with. That’s what freedom is all about. And I think the diversity we have among the states, the system of federalism we have where power is divided between the state and the federal government is, is, is—serves us very, very well. I think that’s true of abortion. I think Roe v. Wade hopefully one day will be overturned, and we can go back to the pre-Roe v. Wade days. But...

MR. RUSSERT: Each state would make their own abortion laws.

MR. THOMPSON: Yeah. But, but, but to, to, to have an amendment compelling—going back even further than pre-Roe v. Wade, to have a constitutional amendment to do that, I do not think would be the way to go.

MR. RUSSERT: I went back—we went back to your papers at the University of Tennessee and read through them. This is what you said back in 1994 as a candidate. Here’s the first one: “I’m not willing to support laws that prohibit early-term abortions. I’m not suddenly upon election as a senator going to know when life begins and where that place ought to be exactly. It comes down to whether you believe life begins at conception. I don’t know in my own mind if that is the case so I don’t feel the law ought to impose that standard on other people.”

MR. THOMPSON: Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: So you yourself don’t know when life begins.

MR. THOMPSON: No. I didn’t know then.

MR. RUSSERT: You know now?

MR. THOMPSON: I, I, I—my head has always been the same place. My public position has always been the same. I’ve been 100 percent pro-life in every vote that I’ve ever cast in, in my service to the United States Senate.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, you say that you’re for states having...

MR. THOMPSON: Well, no...

MR. RUSSERT: Let me finish, because this is important. You’re for allowing states to have pro-abortion rights, and you yourself, and I have 10 different statements from you, say that you would not ban abortion, it’s a woman’s right, and you would not ban it in the first trimester.

MR. THOMPSON: No, no. Well, you just said two different things here. You know, it’s a complex issue concerning whether or not you’re going to have a federal law, whether or not you’re going to have a federal constitutional amendment, those kinds of things. Nobody’s proposed a federal law on this. Nobody’s recently proposed a, a federal constitutional amendment. I, I, I had an opportunity to vote on an array of things over eight years, whether it be partial birth abortion, whether it be Mexico City policy, whether it be transporting young girls across state lines to avoid parental notification laws and all that--100 percent pro-life.

But let me finish on my point, and, and, and my legal record is there, and that’s the way I would govern if I was president. I would take those same positions. No federal funding for abortion, no nothing that would in any way encourage abortion. When I saw—and again, all consistent with what I’ve said. I—people ask me hypothetically, you know, OK, it goes back to the states. Somebody comes up with a bill, and they say we’re going to outlaw this, that or the other. And my response was I do not think it is a wise thing to criminalize young girls and perhaps their parents as aiders and abettors or perhaps their family physician. And that’s what you’re talking about. It’s not a sense of the Senate. You’re talking about potential criminal law. I said those things are going to be ultimately won in the hearts and minds of people. I’m probably a pretty good example of that. Although my, my, my head and my legislative record’s always been the same, when I saw that sonogram of my little now four-year-old, it’s, it’s, it’s changed my heart. It’s changed the way I look at things. I was looking at my child when, when, when I, when I saw that. And I knew that, and I felt that. And that’s the way I feel today. And I think life begins at conception. I always—it was abstract to me before. I was a father earlier when I was very young. I was busy. I went about my way. One of the, one of the maybe few advantages you have by getting a little bit older.

MR. RUSSERT: So while you believe that life begins at conception, the taking of a human life?

MR. THOMPSON: Yes, I, I, I, I do.

MR. RUSSERT: You would allow abortion to be performed in states if chosen by states for people who think otherwise?

MR. THOMPSON: I do not think that you can have a, a, a law that would be effective and that would be the right thing to do, as I say, in terms of potentially—you can’t have a law that cuts off an age group or something like that, which potentially would take young, young girls in extreme situations and say, basically, we’re going to put them in jail to do that. I just don’t think that that’s the right thing to do. It cannot change the way I feel about it morally, but legally and practically, I’ve got to recognize that fact. It is a dilemma that I’m not totally comfortable with, but that’s the best I can do in resolving it in my own mind.

126 posted on 11/08/2007 5:54:31 AM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: Spiff

Has Romney called for jailing women who obtain and abortion?


149 posted on 11/08/2007 6:36:42 AM PST by Petronski ("Willard, you can’t buy South Carolina. You can’t even rent it.”)
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To: Spiff

However it seems Jim Bopp has an issue with his own leadership to deal with...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1922280/posts


150 posted on 11/08/2007 6:40:36 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Spiff
Get over it, Spiff!

Fred said the same thing in a 1994 video when he first ran for the Senate. Fred doesn’t believe in throwing young girls into jail for getting an abortion. He’d rather not make criminals of those young girls parents either. Fred has stated that prosecution of abortion doctors is a different story. I doubt you’d get 10% of Americans who would agree with jailing minors for getting abortions. Get real!

The guy you’re backing for POTUS, Massachusetts Mitt Romney, was an abortionist for 35 years. From 1970 to 2005 Romney supported Roe v Wade as the law of the land and abortion on demand as a woman’s Constitutional right.

In 2005 Mitt Boy said he had a political epiphany and became pro-life. We all know about Mitt and his late-term conversions. I’d call Mitt’s shift on abortion more like a political expediency. After all, he couldn't run for POTUS as a pro-choicer and expect to win the GOP nomination.

In fact, Mitt's never been a conservative. NEVER! OTOH, Fred`s been a conservative his entire adult life. Ever since he read Barry Goldwater`s book, The Conscience of a Conservative, while in college back in the early 1960`s.

Truth is, Romney never supported the Reagan agenda of the 1980`s and has stated so in public. His promotion of nationalized heathcare shows that Mitt has more in common with Hillary, than he does with Reagan or Fred!

177 posted on 11/08/2007 7:42:17 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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