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To: coca-cola kid

If you criminalize something, you must jail those that break the law.

I agree with FT that I do not want my wife or daughters criminalize.


5 posted on 11/08/2007 12:08:04 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

A law that punishes a person performing the abortion is neutral to the woman on which the abortion was performed.

Unless she does it herself...


7 posted on 11/08/2007 12:10:01 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: edcoil
I do not want my wife or daughters criminalize.

Unless you have your family outings at the local abortion mill, you don't have anything to worry about. Nobody's proposing any laws against being female.

38 posted on 11/08/2007 12:35:55 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (“I don't think she understood at all what I was saying.” -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: edcoil; coca-cola kid
"If you criminalize something, you must jail those that break the law."

That doesn't follow.

You can define the law in such a way that you don't prosecute the woman, and focus your penalties on the doctor. This is not an inconsistency in principle, but a requirement of law enforcement policy.

Law is not required, nor can it be required, to perfectly express justice in an unexceptionable way. It can only restrain the most publicly objectionable practices, and then only in most cases.

For example, the law does not arrest people for "private lying" which does not involve fraud, breach of contract or the like. "Private lying" maybe just as morally heinous, but public authorities simply cannot monitor private communications, and if they attempted to do so, they would do more harm to legitimate personal privacy through universal surveillance than the good they might accomplish.

Concerning abortion: this kind of homicide is harder to prove than other murders, because the victim's very existence may be unknown to every other person on earth except for the mother, and she can "privately" abort using herbal remedies or prescription medicines, for instance a large dose of oral contracaptives, without even facing the inconvenient necessity of disposing of a large and recognizable body.

Therefore the only effective way to use legal power to curb massive numbers of abortions is to focus on shutting down the medical-abortion complex, the funding through insurers and public agencies, concentrating prosecutorial attention on the professional abortionists.

And just about the only way to successfully obtain a conviction would be through the testimony of a woman whose child he aborted: a woman who sees herself as a victim who was exploited by the abortionist.

This is not an entire fiction. Most abortionists are flagrantly guilty of not providing adequate information for tthe woman to make an informed consent, and therefore young and ignorant women often do not possess a criminal mens rea, a sufficent awareness that she is killing a baby.

The doctor, of course, knows. Prosecute the doctors with the cooperation of women who are seen as his victims, and you've shut down most of the abortion industry.

40 posted on 11/08/2007 12:37:25 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne.)
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To: edcoil

The person that has the abortion is a murderer, just like the so called doctor. Punishment should be the same for both.


89 posted on 11/08/2007 2:31:06 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: edcoil
Depends on the daughters. Some daughters should be imprisoned. Others can continue to work the streets.

That's what they do with the female school teachers who seduce those little boys ~ LOOKS COUNT. Never forget it.

92 posted on 11/08/2007 3:12:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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98 posted on 11/08/2007 4:33:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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