Posted on 11/09/2007 7:03:26 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
BTW - Thanks for acknowledging that most of his support comes from people who are NOT Republicans.
You seem to have purposely misunderstood my post. The war is one issue. There are other issues, and everything Ron Paul stands for is diametrically opposed to what the socialists or Dems believe in. In fact, to give an example, I post on another forum (a discussion site where there are all types of people) and the few lefties on that site who respected Dr. Paul for his position on the war now seem to be afraid he has a chance, because now they're on the attack, just as the neoconservatives are.
But the average person, who is not a leftist or a pro-war Bush Republican, is fed up with the condition of our government, the one-party system masquerading as two, corruption, open borders, disregard for the rule of law (our constitution) a move towards the NAU, etc. And more and more people are waking up and this group is growing. Everyday. And THAT is why Paul has growing support. He is the only candidate who inspires passion in people, because he is telling it like it is, about the government, and how we have lost our way, and he is the only one who represents real change from politics as usual.
"BTW - Thanks for acknowledging that most of his support comes from people who are NOT Republicans."
And now you're being purposely misleading. I refuted your silly claim (or whoever had said it) that his support was all from leftists. Now it seems you're using "Republican" as a synonym for conservative, implying that his support is from non-conservatives. Did it ever occur to you that conservative and Republican are not necessarily synonymous? There are many conservatives, myself included, who are not registered Republicans. And there are Republicans, like Rudy, who are not conservatives. And there are a growing number of Republicans who are disillusioned with the RINOs we are always given to pick from. Many of those unhappy with the status quo are now supporting Paul. Whether you like that or not.
If you like business as usual, then you've got Rudy, or whichever other business-as-usual insider the MSM wants you to support. If you love this country, I hope you re-think supporting one of those candidates. I highly doubt a true conservative like one of the "2nd Tier" candidates is going to win the nomination. But Paul's support is growing, in fact, it has been phenomenal, they raised over 4 million in one day, and you'll see more fundraisers like that coming up. You guys can laugh if you want, but I honestly and strongly believe that he is the ONLY candidate who can beat Hildebeast.
Here’s the problem with the Ron Paul platform, as a Republican.
“But the average person, who is not a leftist or a pro-war Bush Republican”
There are very few “pro-war” Republicans, Democrats or Americans. However, most Americans are indeed pro-national security, especially after 9/11.
Paul and leftists agree that the war on terror is not really a part of national security, or at least not a good effort at national security. But, most Republicans believe otherwise. They are just as angry with Bush over his liberal spending as you are. But they are not anti-national security, or even anti-prevention, like Paul and the left are.
Next, “He is the only candidate who inspires passion in people”.
This is because he is more passionate in his message and he is appealing to people driven by emotion (passion) rather than logic. It’s easy to work naturally passionate people up about things they are already passionate about, such as an opposition to “pre-emptive” (preventive) national security policies.
“I refuted your silly claim (or whoever had said it) that his support was all from leftists.”
This was a claim from a former aide of Ron Paul’s, and very staunch mainstream Libertarian Republican. You are of course free to disagree, but that wouldn’t make the statement misleading. I assume you have more first hand experience with Paul than this aide who spent 1997 - 2003 working with Paul?
“Did it ever occur to you that conservative and Republican are not necessarily synonymous?”
It’s obvious that they are not one in the same. If they were, neither Giuliani or Paul would have any supporters.
“If you like business as usual, then you’ve got Rudy, or whichever other business-as-usual insider the MSM wants you to support.”
There are only a few true “insiders” in the race. Hillary is certainly an “insider” on the Democrat side, whereas Obama is a newby.
On the Republican side, McCain, Hunter, Tancredo and Ron Paul are in fact the only Washington “insiders” in the race, as career politicians who have been part of the Washington establishment for decades.
This is NOT a good angle for you to argue. Business has been “as usual” the whole time all four of these guys were members of congress.
“Paul’s support is growing”
Paul’s support is growing, but not within the party he is running and all the national Republican polls show it, as does his fund raising.
I hope you and all Ron Paul supporters consider joining the rest of us in the real world.
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