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Byron York: Can you believe these guys? (Giuliani and Romney)
The Hill ^ | 11/9/07 | Byron York

Posted on 11/09/2007 4:14:01 PM PST by Jean S

These days, every presidential candidate has some sort of problem. Barack Obama is inexperienced, Hillary Clinton won’t take a position, John McCain is old, Fred Thompson is unengaged, Mike Huckabee is more preacher than president.

But in the Republican race, two leading candidates have the same problem. When Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney make a promise to a major constituency — social conservatives — a significant number of people don’t believe them.
For Romney, the promise is that he is really, truly pro-life after runs for office in 1994 and 2002 in which he was strongly, emphatically pro-choice.

For Giuliani, the promise is that he will appoint strict-constructionist judges — read that judges who might overturn Roe v. Wade — when he himself is pro-choice.

In Iowa a couple of weeks ago, I met a social conservative activist named Ralph Goemaat. Strongly pro-life but uncommitted in the presidential race, Goemaat had narrowed his choices to McCain and Huckabee. I asked him about Romney. “In all honesty, he says everything that I want to hear,” Goemaat told me. “I just don’t have the confidence in him at this point that what he says is really what he believes.

“There are a number of people out there who do trust him,” Goemaat continued, “and I hope they’re right.

“But I have been burned by people who run one way and govern another way, so I’m a little cautious.”

Goemaat ultimately decided to go with McCain.

At the moment, Romney has a solid lead in Iowa, so Goemaat may well be in the minority. But McCain and other candidates like to point out that Iowans often make up their minds very late in the campaign, so the strength of commitment to Romney hasn’t been tested.

Then there’s Giuliani. After wiggling around on the abortion issue a few months ago, he decided to be his same old pro-choice self.

But his pitch to pro-lifers is that he will appoint those strict-constructionist judges to the courts, and you don’t have to look very far to see social conservatives who aren’t buying it.

Giuliani knows that, but in an interview with me on Wednesday, he seemed a little baffled by it.

“I don’t understand why,” Giuliani said. “Because look, if I was going to try to fool them, I would just change my positions. I would just fool them, right? I’m not suggesting anybody else has done that. So I think people should have the sense that I’m straight with them. And if they just look at my history and background, who do they think I’m going to appoint? All of my friends, all of the people I’ve associated with, all the people I respect, the vast majority of them would fall into the category of conservative thinkers, conservative lawyers and strict-constructionist judges.”

Giuliani has tried to make a down payment on his promise by appointing several conservative legal superstars — among them Theodore Olson and Miguel Estrada — as his advisers on judicial matters.

If he becomes president, Giuliani told me, they are the types who will help him choose nominees.

“Our whole purpose is going to be to do the best we can to find strict-constructionist judges,” he said. “I don’t know why anybody would think there’s some kind of hidden agenda to do anything else.”

I was speaking to Giuliani immediately after he appeared at a news conference to announce that televangelist Pat Robertson has chosen to endorse him.

The question now is, will that help with Rudy’s belief gap among social conservatives.

Robertson said Giuliani “has articulated a philosophy that he really is for the life of the unborn” and “has assured the American people that his choices for judicial appointments will be men and women who share the judicial philosophy of John Roberts and Antonin Scalia.”

Robertson is apparently assured, but we’ll have to wait and see about other social conservatives.

For his part, Romney is getting help with the belief gap from the legendary conservative activist Paul Weyrich, who wants you to know that Romney is a true-blue conservative: In his brief endorsement message, Weyrich said Romney has “conservative principles” and “conservative vision” and “conservative values.”

Now, it might be that one of the other Republican candidates sneaks past Giuliani and Romney. But it’s more likely that one of the two will ultimately bridge the belief gap — and that will be the key to victory.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 00test; byronyork; giuliani; romney
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1 posted on 11/09/2007 4:14:02 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Jean S

DICK CHENEY......we NEED YOU!!!!


2 posted on 11/09/2007 4:15:29 PM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Jean S

Romney has been pro-choice for 35 years! By his own admission!!


3 posted on 11/09/2007 4:17:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Jean S

I don’t trust either Romney or Giuliani on life issues. But if I have to I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for one of them, if nominated by the Republicans, against any Democrat.


4 posted on 11/09/2007 4:22:47 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Jean S
Has any NE liberal Republican ever won the WH?

I mean, the abortion debate is a bit of a red herring for me, and I would rather NOT have the type of self described republican as Arnold is as my candidate, irrespective of what he says about being pro this or that.

Can I believe these guys? No.

5 posted on 11/09/2007 4:25:48 PM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: Jean S

Something fishy is going on with all this “religious right leadership” support for Romney. Romney’s campaign has a lot of money. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some Romney campaign staffers getting their exercise by swinging money bags around.


6 posted on 11/09/2007 4:26:48 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: Jean S
“I don’t understand why,” Giuliani said.

Because Rudy, you are talking out both sides of your mouth about judges and Roe.

Bleck!

7 posted on 11/09/2007 4:27:18 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jean S

Rudy is a wife cheating family wrecking liar. A Planned Parenthood abortionist liar. A cross-dressing gay rights activist liar. A constitution trampling gun grabbing liar. A rule of law ignoring sanctuary city making liar. A draft dodging cowardly liar. A goon squad Kerik hiring corrupt liar.


8 posted on 11/09/2007 4:28:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Holding your nose and voting for the lesser of two evils has led the republican party down the path of liberalism and socialism. Lets just merge the two parties and get it over with.


9 posted on 11/09/2007 4:28:38 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: Suzy Quzy

This country would go positively nuts if he said “I’m the best man for the job, Im running.”


10 posted on 11/09/2007 4:28:57 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Ironic. Bush told us everthing we DIDN’T want to hear and we didn’t believe him.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 4:31:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: ConorMacNessa
I would trust Rudy over Romney.

Romney changes with the breeze. At least Rudy has the guts to stand on his position and take it like a man.

I believe he'd appoint the jedges he says he will. I believe he's a federalist...with 2nd Amendment problems.

If the USSC upholds the DC gun-ban ruling...for an individual right, his position on guns will not matter a whit.

12 posted on 11/09/2007 4:32:14 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Jean S
The purpose of this piece is to soften up social conservatives who oppose Rudy. York, most of the National Review crew, along with what I call the Log Cabin Wall Street Journal Country Club for Growth gang of poofs will be working hard to cram Rudy down our throats.

I don't think it's going to work.

13 posted on 11/09/2007 4:34:28 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

If I thought a third party had a chance to do more than elect a Democrat, I’d vote for it.


14 posted on 11/09/2007 4:37:07 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Exactly so - and no amount of politics will restore us to our positions as citizens of the Republic endowed with rights by our Creator.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 4:38:06 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Mariner
At least Rudy has the guts to stand on his position and take it like a man.

No.

Rudy was against Roe v. Wade up until 1989. Then, Rudy changed his position to be for Roe V. Wade.

Now, Rudy is indifferent about Roe v. Wade.

Apparently, using your own words, Rudy doesn't "have the guts to stand on his position and take it like a man".

16 posted on 11/09/2007 4:38:27 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jean S
But in the Republican race, two leading candidates have the same problem.

Who preordained them as the front runners?
17 posted on 11/09/2007 4:39:21 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Mariner
I believe he'd appoint the jedges he says he will. I believe he's a federalist...with 2nd Amendment problems. If the USSC upholds the DC gun-ban ruling...for an individual right, his position on guns will not matter a whit.

Let me just say I'm glad the current administration has been strong on gun-owner rights and that this case will be before the court before a new administration is sworn in.

18 posted on 11/09/2007 4:40:53 PM PST by CedarDave (VietNam Vet, US Coast Guard patrol boat, USN Coastal Div. 13, 1967-68)
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To: Jim Robinson

The only thing good about Rudy, as Dennis Miller says..”He’s in his PRIME killing years”!


19 posted on 11/09/2007 4:41:00 PM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Liz; indylindy
"...And if they just look at my history and background, who do they think I’m going to appoint? All of my friends, all of the people I’ve associated with, all the people I respect, the vast majority of them would fall into the category of conservative thinkers, conservative lawyers and strict-constructionist judges.”

LOL. Too funny!

20 posted on 11/09/2007 4:44:14 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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