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It's Best To Ignore Strangers Who Shout Their Prejudices (Miss Manners Responds to Liberal Whiner)
Chicago-Tribune.com ^ | November 8, 2007 | Judith Martin | Miss Manners

Posted on 11/09/2007 7:10:57 PM PST by DogByte6RER

MISS MANNERS

It's best to ignore strangers who shout their prejudices Judith Martin

Miss Manners

November 8, 2007

Dear Miss Manners: This evening I found myself waiting in line with two young men who proceeded loudly to proclaim at least five different countries they would like to bomb, and advocated reintroducing the draft so that everyone else would have to share their "sacrifice."

They then loudly branded several political figures they disapproved of with a crude word.

I bit my tongue and waited quietly. Then the people in front of me joined in and, incredibly, they all complained about how persecuted they were and how they should band together and "rule the world" (their words, not mine).

I live in a small, relatively liberal town in a very red state, and this is not the first time something like this has happened. At least once a week, I hear jokes or comments that if not overtly racist, contain racist, sexist or homophobic assumptions.

A few weeks ago, I saw someone in a public place wearing a T-shirt that said "celebrate diversity" covered with an assortment of brightly colored guns.

What should I do in these situations? When the people are strangers, I bite my tongue for the sake of maintaining a civil society. But what do you do when they are relatives?

I don't want this sort of behavior rubbing off on my nieces and nephews, but whenever I express any kind of disapproval, I am labeled overly sensitive or a knee-jerk liberal. It seems I am expected to hold my tongue politely while they offend anyone and everyone they want.

A friend of mine says I should just keep quiet and let these people talk, that they are only embarrassing themselves.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
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Commie libs just love to whine, don't they?

And ever since when to conservative principles amount to "prejudices?"

Anyways...click on the link to read the rest of the letter.

I'll post Miss Manners' PC response below...

1 posted on 11/09/2007 7:10:59 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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Miss Manners responds:

Gentle Reader: What you hear in the street is called freedom of speech. And considering your relatives, it does not sound as if you need to go out looking for an argument. Not that what you have described to Miss Manners resembles anything like a political argument.

So yes, you should ignore strangers. And if you can get away from your relatives when they are carrying on, and do so without making a scene, you should.

It would be better to make an agreement with them that because you have such different views, and because airing them leads to unpleasantness, talking politics be banned when you are together.

It is of no benefit to the children for you to engage in exchanges of name-calling. However, your conscience would be proud of you if you sought opportunities with them to explain and refute prejudice — without personally attacking your and their relatives


2 posted on 11/09/2007 7:11:47 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

“a T-shirt that said “celebrate diversity” covered with an assortment of brightly colored guns”

I want one!


3 posted on 11/09/2007 7:14:40 PM PST by Clay Moore ("My daddy says I'm this close to living in the yard." Ralph Wiggum)
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4 posted on 11/09/2007 7:14:44 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

The “celebrate diversity” t-shirt is available at IMAO, I believe. Cute shirt.


5 posted on 11/09/2007 7:14:59 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Clay Moore
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
6 posted on 11/09/2007 7:15:09 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

“A few weeks ago, I saw someone in a public place wearing a T-shirt that said “celebrate diversity” covered with an assortment of brightly colored guns.”

That someone coulda been moi!


7 posted on 11/09/2007 7:15:37 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Clay Moore

Oh yeah...

Get your shirt at:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversitybk.html


8 posted on 11/09/2007 7:16:56 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Nice, the t-shirts too.

;-)

9 posted on 11/09/2007 7:18:16 PM PST by dighton
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To: DogByte6RER
but whenever I express any kind of disapproval, I am labeled overly sensitive

And the fact they wrote to Miss Manners about it isn't a dead giveaway?

10 posted on 11/09/2007 7:20:05 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m ashamed. I’ve only owned four of those.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 7:20:54 PM PST by dljordan
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To: ExpatGator

I had a T-shirt made that says

“Civilization: Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult”

and I live in an area with lots of Muslims.


12 posted on 11/09/2007 7:21:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: All

“I live in a small, relatively liberal town in a very red state...”

Welcome to the Town of Libsville

Population 2

I.Q. 12 (combined)


13 posted on 11/09/2007 7:23:41 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
I am labeled overly sensitive or a knee-jerk liberal

You're both!

14 posted on 11/09/2007 7:24:22 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: ansel12

I’ve been looking for a shirt with the classic Crusader shield and the word on it. Waiting for “thoseshirts” to come out with it.

I admire your testicular fortitude to wear that shirt. Hat’s off to you.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 7:24:29 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Oh, just how would this person have reacted if they read a letter to MIss Manners, with the following:

Dear Miss Manners:

I don't know what to do...the other day, I was driving home in my SUV, when I came upon a small hybrid with a rainbow bumper sticker on it...they also had one of those "fish" things on their car with feet on it. While I was picking up my children from public school, I saw teachers handing out pamphlets to "help save the planet." In the school parking lot, another teacher looked at my SUV with disdain, and I know she wanted to start an argument since she could see the hand-rolled cigar in my mouth...

16 posted on 11/09/2007 7:25:50 PM PST by Lou L
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To: dljordan
"I’m ashamed. I’ve only owned four of those."

LOL...I was thinking I'd buy one of those shirts but then I'd feel obliged to make sure I owned all of them!

17 posted on 11/09/2007 7:29:52 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DogByte6RER
A few weeks ago, I saw someone in a public place wearing a T-shirt that said "celebrate diversity" covered with an assortment of brightly colored guns.

Uh! That was me!

18 posted on 11/09/2007 7:30:45 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: ExpatGator

“I admire your testicular fortitude to wear that shirt. Hat’s off to you.”

Not so much, I ordered it cheap off the internet, and the print is small and fancy.

In a way it suits me, in that it doesn’t scream LOUDLY what I think is a harsh message, but on the other hand it is there to read (by the type of people that read) which is a compromise between my impulses and my attempt to be gentlemanly and polite.


19 posted on 11/09/2007 7:50:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: ansel12

I’m a mid-40’s gunshop owner/gunsmith. Twelve years Navy experience, a life at sea and a punk rock mentality have made me fairly outspoken. My heart’s on my sleeve, or in the case of t-shirts, on my back. If someone is offended at the message, they can pogue mahon.


20 posted on 11/09/2007 8:02:22 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Ping for later purchase.


21 posted on 11/09/2007 8:08:23 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: DogByte6RER

Dear Miss Manners,

Everywhere I go I see stoooopid liberal bumper stickers with the most annoying slogans such as “Hillary in 08” or “Impeach Bush”...... I am tempted to ram my Ford F-350 truck into the backsides of some of these little weasel Toyota liberal machines..... would it be too intolerant of me to smash a couple of these morons so hard they don’t know what hit them?

Sincerely,

Pissed Off in Peoria


22 posted on 11/09/2007 8:36:03 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: DogByte6RER

Don’t talk to the bad people.


23 posted on 11/09/2007 9:06:26 PM PST by Jorge
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To: DogByte6RER

My neighbor has a Che Guevara T and he stenciled “Murdering Commie Bastard” underneath the image....just great!


24 posted on 11/09/2007 9:27:44 PM PST by CanaGuy (Canada the Great)
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To: Enchante
Dear Miss Manners,

Everywhere I go I see stoooopid liberal bumper stickers with the most annoying slogans such as “Hillary in 08” or “Impeach Bush”...... I am tempted to ram my Ford F-350 truck into the backsides of some of these little weasel Toyota liberal machines..... would it be too intolerant of me to smash a couple of these morons so hard they don’t know what hit them?

Sincerely,

Pissed Off in Peoria

Dear P.O.P.,
I would advise against rear-ending them. Some may enjoy it or misconstrue your intentions as a come on. Besides, picking hybrids out of your grille after a hard day's work is a chore you shouldn't have to perform.

Miss Manners

25 posted on 11/09/2007 9:51:04 PM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: DogByte6RER

“I’m getting very tired of showing tolerance to the intolerant.”

Uh, what?


26 posted on 11/09/2007 9:57:13 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: ExpatGator

I came of age in the old days of Houston (airline drive) before it mellowed, and the 3rd ward.

Although the country has changed and mellowed, I still know that if a man is cornered and forced to answer a confrontation it can lead to a death to settle it.

I take the modern liberties, but I still know the old rules, don’t push a man into a direct confrontation unless you are ready to face the old rules of dignity and honor.

I’m tacky enough and passionate enough to want to show it to the world, but a part of me remembers that the public space is for everyone, so I try to restrain my worst impulses.

I clearly have mixed feelings about my message T-shirts, like I said I am driven to indulge today’s liberties, but by making them subtle it allows wiggle room for the people that don’t like them to simply ignore them, and I like them complex enough to not be understood by children.


27 posted on 11/09/2007 9:59:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: DogByte6RER; DieHard the Hunter; Eaker; humblegunner
A friend of mine says I should just keep quiet and let these people talk, that they are only embarrassing themselves.

How magnanimous of the friend to “let people” practice their freedom of speech! Gee, it feels like my freakin birthday!

Dear Miss manners,

I was at a local sporting event when I noticed an adult male talking during the national anthem. He was also wearing a hat. After the last note sounded I pulled him aside and explained proper etiquette for showing respect to the flag and then I kicked his ass. Later as I left the stadium I saw three men burning a U.S. flag. So I also kicked their asses.

That evening as I was leaving the VFW I saw a two young punks mocking a disabled vet in a wheelchair. I explained to the punks that, regardless of the rank he held while he served, you should always pay the highest respect to all military veterans. I described to them how these veterans fought for the very freedom they basks in every second. After I enlightened them on the many sacrifices these veterans made to make this Nation great I held them down while the vet kicked their asses.

The next day I was walking by a commie, code-pink, antiwar rally. Several hippies looked very sloppy and were improperly wearing uniform items. I approached them and asked them why. They claimed to be Rangers and Seals and started making outrageous claims that they committed war crimes under the illegal orders of their commanders. After engaging them in conversation I quickly discerned their claims were false, so I kicked their asses.

This caused me to work up an appetite. I entered a local diner where two young boys were playing a video game. One boy had lost the game and said to the other boy, “Your mama wears combat boots!” I took the lad aside and explained that if his mother wore combat boots she would most likely be a vet and therefore could easily kick his ass.

So please remember -

“It is the Veteran, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
“It is the Veteran, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
“It is the Veteran, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
“It is the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.”

Signed,

A. Grizzled Bear

(This post is a variation of an essay I saw here on FR)

28 posted on 11/09/2007 9:59:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Clay Moore
I have one. Gets a lot of comments. Ran into a couple at a restaurant while paying the cashier. The wife told me her husband would love a shirt like that. Turns out her husband was a retired editor of Guns and Ammo magazine.
29 posted on 11/09/2007 10:14:53 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: DogByte6RER

I believe I see her problem. She lives in a very red state.


30 posted on 11/09/2007 10:19:22 PM PST by Elsiejay (,)
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To: DogByte6RER

There are plenty of people I agree with politically that are complete and total jerks.

They make us look bad and only serve to drive away people who might otherwise be inclined to listen to our ideas.


31 posted on 11/09/2007 10:22:10 PM PST by Constantine XIII (THE CAKE IS A LIE)
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To: Elsiejay

I believe I see her problem. She lives in a very red state.


Well of course! How else will she get a decent economy, safe and polite population and clean, family friendly streets? If only everyone there would think like her it would be perfect!


32 posted on 11/09/2007 10:24:21 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: ansel12

*agrees with this man*


33 posted on 11/09/2007 10:24:22 PM PST by Constantine XIII (THE CAKE IS A LIE)
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To: DogByte6RER
Here's my favorite t-shirt:


34 posted on 11/09/2007 10:25:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; Constantine XIII

Thank you Constantine XIII, but we have to admit that LH’s post is the funniest post on the thread.


35 posted on 11/09/2007 10:31:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: DogByte6RER
I hear jokes or comments that if not overtly racist, contain racist, sexist or homophobic assumptions.

Here is my translation of that sentence into something a bit more honest:

I hear jokes or comments that are neither racist, sexist, nor homophobic, but I choose to interpret them as such, because I love the smug feeling I get when I manage to convince myself that I have been offended.

36 posted on 11/09/2007 10:43:28 PM PST by TChad
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To: ansel12
I clearly have mixed feelings about my message T-shirts, like I said I am driven to indulge today’s liberties, but by making them subtle it allows wiggle room for the people that don’t like them to simply ignore them

I ordered one of the t-shirts below through 0cents (see FR homepage: "Pajama Patrol") several years ago and occasionally wear it down the shore on the boardwalk or around town. The subtlety is perfect, because only political junkie nutbags (from both sides) like us recognize the logo or know what Free Republic is about. And every once in awhile another freeper notices the shirt and introduces him/herself like an old friend, all smiles. By the way, it's a good quality t-shirt, very comfortable, and purchases help support Free Republic.


37 posted on 11/09/2007 11:03:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Marie2; DogByte6RER
Shirt? Shirt? What shirt?

<}B^)

38 posted on 11/09/2007 11:19:42 PM PST by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: Lancey Howard

That is a very elegant T-shirt, it looks great, it is intense, but tasteful and refined, it exudes quality.

How much is it?


39 posted on 11/10/2007 12:46:04 AM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: Lancey Howard; TigersEye

I sure am learning quite a bit from you..I didn’t know about those shirts & now need one!


40 posted on 11/10/2007 1:31:44 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: Constantine XIII

I doubt this story even happened.


41 posted on 11/10/2007 1:51:05 AM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: ansel12; pandoraou812
Free Republic t-shirts and Stuff
42 posted on 11/10/2007 1:52:51 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks!


43 posted on 11/10/2007 1:56:06 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: DogByte6RER

Forget the shirt, I want one of them.


44 posted on 11/10/2007 1:57:36 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks first glance looks great, I’ll check it out more tomorrow. Good Night.


45 posted on 11/10/2007 1:58:11 AM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: CanaGuy
My neighbor has a Che Guevara T and he stenciled “Murdering Commie Bastard” underneath the image....just great!

Amazon.com: ...... Exposing the Real Che Guevara: And the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him ......... by Humberto Fontova


46 posted on 11/10/2007 2:12:48 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Grizzled Bear

Dear Miss Manners,

I have been dating the most wonderful girl in the world and want to ask her to marry me. However there is a potential problem.
I have been less than honest with her about my background and family and I am afraid if I am 100% honest with her she will not want to marry me.

My mother gave birth to me and all of my brothers and sisters out of wedlock. She was a crack whore and never really knew which sperm doner was the father of which child so none of us ever knew our fathers. We lived in the projects on welfare and money she made whoring.

I was arested several times as a youth but have managed to straighten myself out. I finished school and have a good job.

I have a teenage sister growing up just like my mother and she won’t give up the crack or whoring.
I have a younger brother who is a gang member and peddles drugs.
Another brother is a gay prostitute spreading AIDS around and two others are in prison for murder, theft and other crimes.
My oldest sister is a registered democrat and works for the NY Times as a reporter.

When I tell my fiance about my family should I tell her about the sister who works for the NY Times?

Signed: Anonymous


47 posted on 11/10/2007 2:35:01 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Excellent!!!


48 posted on 11/10/2007 2:56:40 AM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: Enchante

ROFLMAO


49 posted on 11/10/2007 3:18:32 AM PST by AKSurprise ("Massachusetts: 10,555 Sq. Miles surrounded by reality.")
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To: ansel12
I had a T-shirt made that says

“Civilization: Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult”

and I live in an area with lots of Muslims.

Wow! And I thought that I was brave wearing my #17 Mets jersey in St Louis back in the late 1980s!

Mark

50 posted on 11/10/2007 3:33:08 AM PST by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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