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Will Clinton's gender help or hurt her?
McClatchy Washington Bureau ^ | November 10, 2007 | Steven Thomma

Posted on 11/10/2007 6:39:46 PM PST by Graybeard58

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To: Graybeard58

I’ve voted in the past based solely on gender.

Of course that was back when I use to vote Democrat too so obviously I didn’t use logic back then.


61 posted on 11/10/2007 8:29:01 PM PST by ilja
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To: Graybeard58

Out numbering the men 2 to 1.more like 20 to 1.There were no “men” at the rally.


62 posted on 11/10/2007 8:49:29 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s basically what several women have told me - even a very liberal minded woman. Their take on it is they like the idea of a woman candidate and eventually President. However, their universal reaction is “{diety} no! Not Hillary as the first!” They seem to think she’d set them back years, that it would be decades before the country would try that again.


63 posted on 11/10/2007 8:56:08 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Graybeard58
I spent nearly 35 years of my life in the media. I have covered elections at every level.. from Township Trustee to President of the USA.

Despite what the media tells you the most prejudiced voters in the USA are the Democratic base. A large portion of the base is made up of male hourly workers. They have no more than a High School education. They don't want a woman or a black boss and they do note vote for females or blacks for major public office.

The media and the power structure of the Democratic party holds far different views than most of the base. What you find when talking to most of the Democrat base is that they delegate control of their lives to the Democratic party. They believe that they can not understand government, but the Democratic party does, and the Democratic elites will look out for them.

Thus the Democrat big shots can refuse to open Alaska for oil and the base will vote for them. The Base doesn't understand that the Democrats refusal on new Drilling is a major cause of $3.15 gasoline. They don't even know that what their party did. They blame the big oil companies and Republicans for making gasoline cost so much.

The Democratic party base pays no attention to what the party leaders do. They just delegate control, that is their votes, to the party so the party elites can protect them form the evil Republicans.

But if the party puts a woman or a black on the presidential ticket, they will find that is far different thing than refusing to drill for oil. The base can not help bu know what has been done, and mutch of the Base will refuse to vote. They would not vote for a Republican but they may very well refuse to vote for a female or black candidate.

I suspect the polls will show Hillary in great shape until election day. Then they may find out that much of the parties base, has not turned out to vote. It may come as a huge surprise.

The Democratic party is a top down organization. You can bet the precinct captains know the score. But the Democratic elites do not listen to or even ask precinct captains. The elites send orders and rulings down. They never ask for or get information from the bottom up.

They will find out during the election 2008. It reminds me of 1972. The elites were sure that George McGovern could destroy Richard Nixon at the polls. But on election day 60.7 percent of the votes went to Nixon. As a comparison Reagan in his huge victory of 1984 only got about 58 percent of the vote. The Republican party is a bottom up party. The democrats are a top down. That explains the differences between the two parties.

64 posted on 11/10/2007 8:56:54 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Gender is masculine or feminine: how one FEELS about their sexuality.

You may have hit the nail on the head. It seems that seems that in contemporary liberal-left thought, how one perceives one's sexuality is more important that one's actual sex.

65 posted on 11/10/2007 9:06:26 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Common Tator

I spent more than 30 years as an “hourly male” and never in my life have voted for a democrat at any level of government. I was a union member, now retired. I knew many who fit the description you provided. Conservative on many levels, smaller gov., fewer entitlements, less taxes, pro life etc. and voted for democrats.

Recently a man I used to work with came by my house and we were having coffee. I know him to be one of the people I described above. I asked him if he would vote for Hillary or Obama in the primary. He told me that he did not vote for women or n******.

The democrat party is chock full of racists and misogynists. It’s projection on their part when they accuse conservatives of their moral failings.


66 posted on 11/10/2007 9:11:21 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ProCivitas

Gorgon, an air-launched, air-breathing
guided missile of the 1940's

67 posted on 11/10/2007 9:20:01 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: speekinout
If a person votes against a candidate because he is vaginally impaired or for a candidate because she is vaginally gifted means the voter has a total cerebreal deficit.
68 posted on 11/10/2007 9:30:30 PM PST by cpdiii (Roughneck, (Oil Field Trash and Proud of It) Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast.)
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To: Exit148
Those who would vote for her just because she is a woman are showing their shallowness and have no idea the harm their stupidity could cost.

Well put. I know of only one women among my woman friends who has said she will vote for Hillary because of the fact she is a woman. She isn't the brightest of my friends & we are not very happy about her vote. Its her choice though. We keep telling her if Hillary does get in we are going to blame her for all the bs that comes with that demon.

69 posted on 11/10/2007 9:36:37 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: Graybeard58
I’m a woman. Quite frankly, I would never vote for a megalomaniac, rapist-enabler, chronic liar of either gender.

Boo hoo Hills, most thinking people are on to you. It’s the other idiots I’m worried about...

70 posted on 11/10/2007 9:52:59 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: Graybeard58

LOL!


71 posted on 11/10/2007 11:28:00 PM PST by sarasmom (Hunter /Thompson 2008! 15-35% of Democrats would be happy to vote for Hunter Thompson as POTUS!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Do explain the number of male votes for John Kerry.
Were they all testosterone defficient metro-sexuals?

Be very, very carefull when expressing/exposing ignorant misogynist tendencies on this forum.

Some “uppity female” might feel free to challenge your views.

72 posted on 11/10/2007 11:39:03 PM PST by sarasmom (Hunter /Thompson 2008! 15-35% of Democrats would be happy to vote for Hunter Thompson as POTUS!)
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To: Graybeard58

Wouldn’t one have to know exactly which gender Her Heinous is?


73 posted on 11/10/2007 11:39:10 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: Graybeard58

Virtually all the liberal (sorry, “progressive”) women I know are dead set on Hillary. When I ask they why, none of them can come up with a single response.


74 posted on 11/10/2007 11:51:24 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Graybeard58

Bill Clinton Denounces the Media for Rough Treatment of Wife [semi-satire]

Former president Bill Clinton denounced the media for what he labeled “their invasive, intrusive, and impolite harassment of his wife.” He was referring, he said, to the spate of questions raised following Hillary’s difficulty in
the Democratic debate last week.

“Candidates shouldn’t have to answer complicated questions and be expected to take definite policy positions prior to taking office,” Clinton asserted. “This could impede their flexibility once they are elected.” Clinton contended that this “loss of the element of surprise will make the nation
more vulnerable to its enemies—both foreign and domestic.”

“By taking a multi-faceted perspective on the issues, Hillary is showing that she sympathizes with people of all points of view,” Clinton continued. “I think this is the kind of inclusiveness we want in a president. It worked
for me. Hillary is just carrying on what she learned from observing me.”

Clinton recommended that “Voters should vote for the person they trust and leave the decisions on complicated issues to her good judgment.”

In related news, the former president also warned his wife’s rivals for the Democratic nomination to “watch what they say. If they keep piling on they might find themselves ‘swift-boated’ somewhere downstream of here.”

Presidential contender Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill) said he found “the implication that the Clintons may have been the unacknowledged force behind the campaign that derailed Senator Kerry’s 2004 run for the office stunning.
The surreptitious undermining of our own Party’s nominee goes beyond the normal bounds of give-and-take among honorable adversaries. I’d call it disreputable, maybe even sinister.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


75 posted on 11/11/2007 12:08:05 AM PST by John Semmens
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To: Graybeard58

Is “Dyke” a gender?


76 posted on 11/11/2007 1:37:34 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Graybeard58
Will Clinton's gender help or hurt her?

Any mention of her in terms of "gender" hurts me...

77 posted on 11/11/2007 3:58:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Graybeard58
"Dianne Bystrom, director of the Catt Center for Women and Politics"

Man, you just can't make this stuff up.

meow

78 posted on 11/11/2007 4:08:26 AM PST by Pietro
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To: theDentist

She’s a man, baby!


79 posted on 11/11/2007 4:10:14 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Graybeard58

me.......but only cause I don’t know how..........lmao2


80 posted on 11/11/2007 4:10:56 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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