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It is time to stop sourcing Wikipedia - List of Liberal bias and misinformation
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Posted on 11/10/2007 10:36:50 PM PST by Reform Canada

Edited on 11/11/2007 1:33:36 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: dayglored

Here is the FR thread on this subject dayglored:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1551483/posts


21 posted on 11/10/2007 11:10:00 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: padre35
> I’m afraid I posted that under bad information basedon an earlier FR thread, when I double checked after I posted that, the section about “Haters have moved to Free Republic..gay bashing etc” involving FR in 1999, as I recall the earlier version of that entry stated something different. My mistake.

Accepted, no problem.

Point being, we on FR have to be at least as careful about checking on our information, as the thousands of folks who collectively edit Wikipedia. Inaccurate information is rampant on the internet.

Similarly, my regard for FR as an information source is based, not on the 95% of comments which express personal opinions and propagate rumors, but on the 5% who research what they have to say before they post it. Of course, FR is a forum with a point of view, and does not claim lack of bias.

In any event, regardless of what one is reading, skepticism is a good thing, IMO.

22 posted on 11/10/2007 11:14:47 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Reform Canada

So why are there not enough conservative contributors to Wikipedia to offset the claimed bias? Has the conservative side abandoned the fight within Wikipedia just as it has abandoned the fight in the mass media?

If you’re not there, then that gives the field to the opposition.

I try, but I am only one against the leftist horde.


23 posted on 11/10/2007 11:18:25 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Reform Canada
Good GOSH!!!!!

Hehe, you need to FORMAT my friend!

That said, Wikipedia must be taken the way any other source of information on the Internet is...with a grain of salt.

There is no "vetting" process for any information you see. If the site is reputable, it does make the information MORE reliable. For example, if you are looking for information on naval forces around the world,Janes Fighting Ships is considered to be reliable. The CIA Website might also be somewhat reliable.

But there are a host, thousands, perhaps millions of websites that have information any of us might use to buttress an argument or make a point. The vast majority of them are unreliable or unverifiable.

Just like the pre-Internet days...we MUST use our powers of discrimination to find reliable information.

24 posted on 11/10/2007 11:19:17 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Solitar
> So why are there not enough conservative contributors to Wikipedia to offset the claimed bias? Has the conservative side abandoned the fight within Wikipedia just as it has abandoned the fight in the mass media? If you’re not there, then that gives the field to the opposition. I try, but I am only one against the leftist horde.

Proven fact: it's easier to whine than do something about it.

25 posted on 11/10/2007 11:21:12 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I did some digging dayglored, and here is a quote from the wiki article on FR in 2005:

To: Maceman
> Well, here is what Wikipedia has to say about Free Republic. “The site is blocked by several leading child-protection filters due to allegations of hate speech regarding certain groups of people, such as liberals, homosexuals, and Muslims.” They left out the impeached POS :-)
15 posted on 10/24/2005 7:16:49 AM PDT by cloud8

Here is the racist portion:

Drudge dropped the link to Free Republic by February, 1999, “because they were doing racist stuff over the [Clinton love child][28].” Drudge currently does not link.

And here is the “modern” version of the fmr Wiki article:

“Salon.com’s Jeff Stein observed in 1999 that: “[A] swelling number of haters have turned up the volume of death threats, gay-bashing, name-calling and conspiracy theories tying the father of Republican front-runner George W. Bush to drug-dealing by the CIA.”[32]”

Fascinating stuff really, as long as the article about FR was allowed equal access to editing, then fair is fair.


26 posted on 11/10/2007 11:23:05 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: padre35
> Here is the FR thread on this subject dayglored: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1551483/posts

Ah, that one, I remember that one.

There have been many such tempests in a teapot. What lqclamar didn't want to admit was that Wikipedia represents the collective knowledge of people who post to Wikipedia, not the world at large, etc. So OF COURSE it's going to have a somewhat left bias; why is that surprising?

That thread was REALLY about the fact that folks on FR mounted a campaign to "correct" other Wikipedia articles (not the one about Free Republic) in favor of a conservative bias instead of a liberal one:

"...a Free Republic Action Alert was distributed calling for a coordinated attack against several Wikipedia articles..."
Is it any surprise that Wikipedia would resist an organized campaign of that nature, regardless of its leanings?

I mean, aren't we sort of famous for "FReeping That Poll" and so forth? ;-)

27 posted on 11/10/2007 11:28:46 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: All
Link to Tutorial on Editing Wikipedia
28 posted on 11/10/2007 11:29:08 PM PST by Reform Canada (Kyoto=>More Unemployment=>More Poverty=>More Homeless=>More Crime=>More Rape & Murder)
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To: Solitar; All
To the lefties, Wikipedia is the exact same thing as an online poll. They know that unilaterally overpowering it renders it useless as a real point of reference to the truth, and aids in their ability to use it as a tool to further their causes.

Many conservatives avoid it for exactly the same reasons they refuse to "Freep a Poll". They see it as a form of mental masturbation.

I like to use Wikipedia as a starting point for research...to find names, places and dates associated with particular events, and then I begin to comb the Internet for collaborating or contradictory evidence, and I examine the web sites to determine if they have an agenda to take into account.

29 posted on 11/10/2007 11:30:25 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Reform Canada

Wikipedia is a website where ANYONE can edit and join. If you see inaccuracies, then correct them, and get others to help and correct them. If you give up you might as well declare that “reality has a liberal bias.”

And besides, no serious academic should use Wikipedia, anyways. As said before, it’s great as an introduction to things, but it’s best not to be overused. And it doesn’t just have a left-wing bias at times. Articles about subjects such as the Rape of Nanking or the Armenian Massacre are deeply divided between nationalistic sides. Such disputes transcend left-right divisions.


30 posted on 11/10/2007 11:33:12 PM PST by RightCenter
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To: Reform Canada
Just for kicks I tried conservapedia, after reading this, and it’s worthless. The cartoon of the liberal brain when searching “liberal” was amusing, but had no place in an encyclopedic article.

The liberal use of adjectives like amoral in describing neoconservatives (under conservative) was also unprofessional, and not worthy of an encyclopedic article.

Then I looked up Buddhism, and found the worst entry yet. it completely omitted the differing types of Buddhism and treated the religion as though it was homogeneous.

It completely omits all of Bob Dole’s political career saving his VP and Presidential bid, and that he was majority leader from 1995-1996. No mention that he was a County Attorney, a four term U.S. Congressman, and a senator from 1968 til 1996. No mention of the committees he served on, no mention of the committees he chaired, and nary a hint of how his various presidential bids went. All information readily available from Wiki.

Hell, conservapedia even somehow manages to omit that Ronald Reagan survived an assassination attempt!!! No mention of Iran Contra and how he was vindicated of accusations thereof.

Don’t even get me started on Conservapedia’s weak 539 word entry for quantum mechanics. Wiki’s entry is in excess of 6,000 words btw.

Sorry, but Conservapedia might be as conservative as all get out, but it’s so light on the pedia part that it’s a joke. Too much emphasis on ideology at the expense of information. As bad as Wiki may be, conservapedia can’t hold a candle to it.

31 posted on 11/10/2007 11:35:18 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Reform Canada

Personally, I love Wikipedia.
But if I ever write a thesis I’ll be sure to use due diligence.


32 posted on 11/10/2007 11:36:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: rlmorel

Agreed. Except that I find wiki quite useful at times. It’s especially handy at finding mathematical formulas all in one place. Lately, building a fence and a garden I’ve learned that my trig is beyond rusty, but I’ve been able to brush up on all the formulas I needed in minutes at the computer instead of digging through the closets for textbooks I might only think I still have.


33 posted on 11/10/2007 11:38:41 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: padre35
> I did some digging...

... and those are all what OTHER people said about FR, not what Wikipedia claimed AS FACT, on the Free Republic page. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one. But to address your items:

1. Child-protection filters block all sorts of information, like about breast and prostate cancer. They are utterly useless as a gauge of content. Wikipedia's comment was true (some child filters do/did block FR). So what?

2. The "racist" quote was from Drudge, not Wikipedia.

3. Quoting Jeff Stein of Salon.com doesn't mean a thing. (Salon? come on... the only more liberal site I can think of is Mother Jones...).

In other words, yes, what you offer is a set of OPINIONS about FR, quoted on Wikipedia. But none of it represents a non-NPOV on the part of Wikipedia, only of those mentioned in quotes. That's entirely unsurprising -- most Wikipedia pages about charged subjects have quotes.

34 posted on 11/10/2007 11:38:49 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: RightCenter
Wikipedia is a website where ANYONE can edit and join. If you see inaccuracies, then correct them, and get others to help and correct them.

Yea, but isn't it more fun to inject inaccuracies, especially funny or really devious ones?

35 posted on 11/10/2007 11:44:12 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Not if you are a communist. Jeez, what is with you?


36 posted on 11/10/2007 11:58:27 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Reform Canada

STATEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL OF THE BIOLOGICAL
SOCIETY OF WASHINGTON

The paper by Stephen C. Meyer, “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories,” in vol. 117, no. 2, pp. 213-239 of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, was published at the discretion of the former editor, Richard v. Sternberg. Contrary to typical editorial practices, the paper was published without review by any associate editor; Sternberg handled the entire review process. The Council, which includes officers, elected councilors, and past presidents, and the associate editors would have deemed the paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings because the subject matter represents such a significant departure from the nearly purely systematic content for which this journal has been known throughout its 122-year history. For the same reason, the journal will not publish a rebuttal to the thesis of the paper, the superiority of intelligent design (ID) over evolution as an explanation of the emergence of Cambrian body-plan diversity. The Council endorses a resolution on ID published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2002/1106id2.shtml), which observes that there is no credible scientific evidence supporting ID as a testable hypothesis to explain the origin of organic diversity. Accordingly, the Meyer paper does not meet the scientific standards of the Proceedings.


37 posted on 11/11/2007 12:04:57 AM PST by js1138
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To: Reform Canada

Wikipedia is a joke the first minute you get away from pure technical subjects. In other words, wiki is useful for thintgs like “how does a diesel locomotive engine work”, but that’s it; anything involving any sort of a science paradigm clash much less any sort of political question, leave them alone.


38 posted on 11/11/2007 12:08:41 AM PST by damondonion
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To: Reform Canada

I find Wikipedia to be quite useful for a quick verification of a fact I recollect, and in locating information that is politically neutral.

In short, if Wikipedia jibes with my recollection, I generally don’t dig any deeper. If it doesn’t, I’ll keep looking.

I enjoy military history, and if you want to locate a quick order of battle, it can generally provide useful information.

Many of the pages also have links to other sources.

I’ve tried Conservapedia a few times, and have found it to be completely worthless. Perhaps it has gotten better. Or not. The Waterloo article is OK, but the World War I discussion pretty much ignores the Eastern front.


39 posted on 11/11/2007 12:45:51 AM PST by PAR35
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I'll often use Wikipedia for a first stop, and even for a pretty comprehensive resource after I've checked some other sources. Wikipedia is what we make it! If a few thousand honest, fair, reasonably unbiasted Freepers joined Wikipedia as editors, we could eventually negate most of the liberal bias. But if we all sit on the bench -- or bleachers -- and let the others play, then we have no valid reason to complain.
40 posted on 11/11/2007 12:54:30 AM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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