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To: BigAlPro
Many conservatives and Republicans have bought into the idea that to win a national election you have to move to the center.

Moving to the so called "center" means sacrificing principles to appease the socialist left to garner as many votes as possible simply for the sake of winning. This has been occurring for many years. Conservatives don't sacrifice their principles. Consequently the GOP has abandon Conservatives and has aligned its political ideology with the socialist Democrats. Republicans must end their "centrist" movement and return to what once was its Conservative base if it has any chance of getting the Conservative vote.
3 posted on 11/11/2007 4:50:23 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Man50D
Moving to the so called "center" means sacrificing principles to appease the socialist left to garner as many votes as possible simply for the sake of winning.

Democrat and Republican politicians have different objectives. The Democrats stand to benefit from big government whether they're in leadership positions or not--if government gets big enough they'll be plenty of pork to go around. Further, big government will help keep any would-be competitors "in their place". Republican politicians, by contrast, can only benefit if they get leadership positions. If government shrinks (as they're supposed to make happen) there won't be any pork for non-leaders.

Unfortunately, it's in both parties' interest to have the country led by RINOs who take positions far to the left of those Democrats would be able to take against more conservative Republicans. That way Democrats get the big government tyranny they want, while Republicans get the leadership positions they want.

23 posted on 11/11/2007 9:43:27 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Man50D

I’m not sure why you threw this quote at me, but I can assure you I have no desire to see the GOP move to the center. In fact, I am one of the people who wonders if it is time for the emergence of a truly Conservative Party. I would love to see a Christian based, common sense, conservative party in America’s future.


31 posted on 11/11/2007 11:43:18 AM PST by BigAlPro (It's time to flush the toilet of political corruption in Washington)
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To: Man50D
QUID PRO QUO? LA Police Chief Bratton Endorses Spitzer Driver’s License Plan (Giuliani wants Bratton as Homeland/Security/Sec)

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William J. Bratton, former NYC police commissioner under Mayor Giuliani endorsed Gov Spitzer's plan to license illegals.

EXCERPT LA Police Chief Bratton was NYC police commissioner from 1994-96, during the first term of Mayor Giuliani, but the two men famously feuded, with Giuliani resentful that Mr. Bratton — a pioneer of the city’s Compstat program — was getting credit for the city’s reduction in crime.

In March 2007, Giuliani began trying to mend fences with Bratton and met privately; afterward, Mr. Bratton said he “enjoyed” the tête-à-tête. In May 2007, the two men met in Los Angeles.

In a statement released October 2007 by Gov Spitzer’s office, Chief Bratton said: As former Commissioner of the New York City Police Department and now Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department (since 2002), I support efforts that have the potential to solve crimes and improve traffic safety. That’s why I backed legislation in California that would give undocumented immigrants the ability to get a driver’s license once they have provided proof of their identification. It is my belief that by doing that you would reduce the number of hit and runs and increase the number of insured motorists on the road. We would also now have undocumented immigrants’ identifying information on record such as photographs and addresses which could prove helpful in the fight against crime and terrorism.

QUOTE SOURCE http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/bratton-endorses-spitzer-drivers-license-plan/

(Licensing illegals hit a roadblock when it was determined some 80% of Americans oppose the plan. Spitzer was forced to backoff when the plan contributed to a debate fumble by Hillary Clinton followed by dismal approval ratings).

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RUDY: I'D TAP MY OLD FOE BRATTON
By DAVID K. LI, NY POST
August 13, 2007

EXCERPT GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani floated an extraordinary olive branch to bitter rival William Bratton, hinting he'd consider his estranged former top cop for a high federal post.

In an interview in this week's New Yorker magazine, Giuliani was asked whom he'd tap for Homeland Security secretary if elected to the White House. He laughed and told the magazine whom he wouldn't tap. ".....you need a Bernie Kerik without the background problems that Bernie Kerik had," Giuliani said of his ethics-challenged former police commissioner and close friend.

The former mayor lavished praise on his first police commissioner, Bratton, the city's top cop from 1994-96..... Giuliani is largely blamed for forcing Bratton, now LA police chief, out of office in an ugly battle of egos. "But you sort of look back on some of the things and say that was an extraordinarily productive relationship," Giuliani told the magazine. Now that I look back on it, I really appreciate the (Bratton) relationship."

It's certain that Giuliani won't be tapping Kerik for any job in his potential Cabinet. Kerik, NY's top cop from 2000 to 2001 and a close friend of Giuliani's, was briefly nominated for Homeland Security's top post by President Bush. Kerik withdrew, claiming his employment of an illegal nanny would make his confirmation too difficult. It soon emerged that Kerik had a flood of ethics allegations that were much more serious.

BEST OF ENEMIES Giuliani and William Bratton at a press conference in 1996 announcing Bratton's resignation as police commissioner.

33 posted on 11/11/2007 2:41:42 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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