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Renewable energy could 'rape' nature
NewScientist.com news service ^ | 25 July 2007 | Phil McKenna

Posted on 11/12/2007 8:46:16 PM PST by T Ruth

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To: Hunterite
think for a moment. young trees grow at a faster rate than older ones. hence, they need more CO2. thats more CO2 sucked out of the atmosphere. since redwoods, and other older trees dont grow as fast, they dont need as much C02.

what i'm saying is "pee on the environmentalists," cut down the rainforests, and plant new young, fast growing trees to suck up the C02 emissions from schwarzweggers suv to save the world.

actually, i couldn't care less. but, its a sane idea from a former leader of a lunatic org.

perhaps you would care to enlighten me with your idea(s)?

21 posted on 11/12/2007 10:34:36 PM PST by robomatik
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To: All

Is someone really good at drawing and photoshop? I got an idea.

An absurd conceptualized futuristic gas station with alternative energy gallore. The sign of the gas station will read the following with prices:

-Unleaded
-Super Unleaded
-Ultra Unleaded
-Diesel
-Electric
-Ethanol
-E85
-Biodiesel
-Methanol
-Propane

There will be 1 pump at the gas station with all of these alternative outlets, large and unwieldy, and a line of cars waiting. In the backround there will be a windmill, solar panel, nuclear power plant, a dam, coal power plant, a man running on a hamster wheel, and an alien spaceship hooked up to a plug.

The guy at the service station filling up the tank will be an anarchist dressed up like a terrorist in black.

The title of the image will read, “Alternative fuels Utopia.”


22 posted on 11/12/2007 10:37:37 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite
"a man running on a hamster wheel, and an alien spaceship hooked up to a plug."

now youre becoming cynical!

awesome!

23 posted on 11/12/2007 10:42:11 PM PST by robomatik
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To: robomatik

I didn’t say the socialists were nuts for proposing to cut down old growth forests because old trees breath less, I am calling the socialists nuts for proposing the destruction of beautiful recreation areas for the fake Global Warming scam.


24 posted on 11/12/2007 10:45:17 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Navy Patriot

FUEL SUPPLY PROBLEMS COULD HAMPER NUCLEAR RENNISANCE

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070321092710.htm


25 posted on 11/12/2007 10:46:45 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Does anyone here understand that super thick INSULATION around houses would reduce the need for more energy sources?


26 posted on 11/12/2007 10:47:48 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Hunterite

ok =)


27 posted on 11/12/2007 10:48:10 PM PST by robomatik
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To: timer

and the cost of that for the average home is...?


28 posted on 11/12/2007 10:49:19 PM PST by robomatik
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To: Brad from Tennessee
FUEL SUPPLY PROBLEMS COULD HAMPER NUCLEAR RENNISANCE There isn't a fuel supply problem, there is a Democrat problem.
29 posted on 11/12/2007 10:49:55 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: timer

Hmmmn.

Yes - I’ve got it in mine. Plus reflective insulation under the roof.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 10:50:45 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Hunterite
NUCLEAR "RENNISANCE"

uhh! spell check...

31 posted on 11/12/2007 10:55:47 PM PST by robomatik
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To: timer

My roommate put that foam stuff down his exterior walls and threw several inches more of insulation in the attic the summer of ‘05. That dropped his electric bill form the $300’s during the summer of ‘05 to the $200’s during ‘06. Granted October’s(September usage) was $380 this year, but all that extra insulation has really helped out.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 11:13:10 PM PST by neb52
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To: Brad from Tennessee
These "fuel supply" problems you cite are not a shortage of uranium fuel, rather, they are resultant of not mining and refining the fuel as there is no demand, the reactors have not been built.

Uranium fuel production could easily keep up with reactor production as the techonology exists for both to be ramped up at any time.

On the other hand , equally clean coal technology does not exist, and we would have to get far more material out of the ground, safely and cleanly. Hard to do, and that was the comparison that I made.

Add in thorium and you have so much clean, cheap power it is hard to comprehend, and foolish not to.

There is probably more untapped energy available for use from thorium in the minerals of the earth's crust than from combined uranium and fossil fuel sources.

33 posted on 11/12/2007 11:15:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: T Ruth

Forest biomass is largely hazardous fuel. Some commercial application for the stuff helps offset the expense of removal. Shaded fuel breaks and managed forests reduce the risk of catastrophic fire that contributes heavily to greenhouse gasses. It is a win win.


34 posted on 11/12/2007 11:59:05 PM PST by marsh2
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To: neb52
How much was the cost of the over all insulation ?
So the amount he saved in fuel cost over a 3 month period paid for it's self ?
To bad everyone can not afford Solar power and Hydrothermal heating.
35 posted on 11/13/2007 12:21:00 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: T Ruth

***Instead, Ausubel argues for renewed development of nuclear. ***

OMG! WE are all gonna DIE! Oh, wait. That was the commmon leftist view 35 years ago. Never mind.

Anyone got some old Mother Earth News mags from the late 1970’s? Check out their anti-nuclear cartoons.


36 posted on 11/13/2007 3:15:51 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: robomatik

You are right in raising the question. I called up a local insulation supplier and asked how much was 2” urethane board w/silver foil facing. It was something like $28. That works out to about $5/cf(actually $5.25/cf). Urethane has a k value(R/”)of about 7.0 w/silver lining.

Ok then, 24” = R 168 or U = 1/168(/dT/sf). Now, a 2400 sf 3 BR house : completely boxed in w/this 2’ of urethane foam board insulation(12 layers of 2”)(8’hi walls, 20’x50’ interior footprint), and ignoring windows, infiltration, fresh air supply for the moment; I get about 1000 BTUH for a 32 deg F outside/72 deg F inside for dT. The human body at rest puts out about 1250 BTUH, thus your food bill is your heat bill...

Now, if we take the averages, that’s about 4208 cf x $5/cf = $21,040 for just the insulation alone. As an architect I can tell you : that’s a BIG chunk out of your construction budget. Ok then, how many BILLION$ are pissed away by govt’s/energy companies on new energy SOURCES, and yet practically no one thinks about energy SINKS.

If these IDIOTS just subsidized high R value insulation manufacturing(down to about .3mm cell diameter = high density)so that it was 50 cents/cf instead of $5/cf, you’d see it going into new housing all over the place, even as “quilts” on existing houses. So the walls are 2’ thick, so what?

Hey, even VP Cheney mentioned conservation in re to energy, but nobody picked up on that idea. Here’s all this GARBAGE about global warming...well, liberal IDIOTS...what about the HEAT going thru your own house walls? And you’re the very ones using CXHx/CO2 emitting sources so as to pump heat(and money)thru your skimpy-insulated walls/clgs/flrs.

INSULATE liberal doofusses, the more the merrier. Just subsidize insulation manufacturing(no, I own no stock thereby).


37 posted on 11/13/2007 3:33:56 AM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: neb52

See post #37 on this thread. The overall US energy picture has about 5% going to(mostly)house heat loss. But that’s where it hurts the most, that heating cost comes right out of your pocket. With super thick insulation that money stays in your pocket, a gift that keeps on giving, year after year after year.


38 posted on 11/13/2007 3:39:34 AM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

See post #37 on this thread. Are my numbers about right?


39 posted on 11/13/2007 3:41:15 AM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: timer
The overall US energy picture has about 5% going to(mostly)house heat loss.

5% of total energy? How sure are you of that number?

40 posted on 11/13/2007 4:13:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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