I wrote this for the USC student paper, the Daily Trojan. Fellow FReepers, I'd love to hear your feedback!
1 posted on
11/13/2007 12:30:47 AM PST by
panther33
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To: panther33
That type of language is who Dog
is. If you hang out with street people, spend time in prison, and have a slight education, that's just the reality of not only how you talk but who you are. It's second nature to use the n-word for them, just as it is for rappers, drug dealers and addicts. To them it's a routine, mild term. Prison permanently desensitizes anyone to harsh language. He wanted to insult his son's girlfreind, to let him know of his disapproval, because Dog was afraid his son would end up in the slammer for 20 years on a probation violation because of her influence. He was just trying to keep his son from making a mistake -- not because she was black, but because he perceived her as a threat to her son's future. He's not a racist, but he is protective of his family. If she'd been white he would've picked an equally offensive term to describe her -- to emphasize to his son what he thought of a woman he perceived as a threat to his son's freedom.
So in that sense, he owes no apology. He is what he is. His pandering to the media just makes him seem weak.
2 posted on
11/13/2007 12:59:37 AM PST by
zipper
To: panther33
I’d agree with you, in fact, I hope Dog continues to do his bounty hunting regardless of whether it’s on t.v. or not. He is a good guy who has always been hated by leftist, Cop hating, liberals, they just had a chance to exploit his language etiquette weakness, Senator Byrd got a pass.
The thing about name calling, the more they know it bothers you, the more they will use it.
3 posted on
11/13/2007 1:06:40 AM PST by
Son House
($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
To: panther33
As a retired military person I’ve heard the N word a lot. It almost always cam out of the mouth of a black person. I’ve also been called every name under the sun. Oh well, life goes on.
Give the dog another chance. You can’t carry this racial crap around forever.
6 posted on
11/13/2007 1:24:43 AM PST by
oldenuff2no
(My dad ldft for Europe in)
To: panther33
I love the Dog. It was wrong of Dog to say what he said; however; it was a private conversation. Now tell me a fairytale about alledged minorities not saying really nasty things about whites or other races or each other. Dog’s opinions are not the point in this case. The point is his son sold him out. And his girlfriend planned it. Dog is the wrong person to be held accountable here. His son and girlfriend should be. Just like that case in Boulder where that couple’s land was taken. They say ignorance of the law is no excuse. Well, there is no excuse for judges and lawyers, politicians, big business; etc to steal from the public either. These people should be held accountable too. We meed to make the real culprits responsible.
7 posted on
11/13/2007 1:25:32 AM PST by
freekitty
((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
To: panther33
Go to any police station booking room. Go to any military base. I don't care where you go, even to schools, you will hear the "N" word. This is who he is. It is part of his life. Asking him to change his language is like changing your DNA. You might be able to cut back, but you will never completely change it. A TV show can Bleep it out, but if the boy's girlfriend heard him or his employees saying it, all hell would break loose. I've seen his show and don't care one way or another if it stays on, but to kill it over this is stupid.
If you look back, Mark Furman lost his career and probably the case against OJ over something this stupid.
Get rid of Chris Mathews, or Oberman if you want to clean up TV. And for God's sake, don't bring back Rosie.
11 posted on
11/13/2007 1:33:26 AM PST by
chuckles
To: panther33
I wrote this for the USC student paper, the Daily Trojan. Fellow FReepers, I'd love to hear your feedback!If you heard the language I use at white people who don't signal and cut people off in traffic, you'd never worry about what dog said about black people. Then again, I'll never get that reality show on A&E.
In perspective: Dog said a dirty word. N-word, I don't give a hoot. Really don't care. If Rap and Hip-Hop can gain such a foothold in black culture, considering the extent of the verbal abuse that comes out of it, then Dog didn't do anything wrong by their own standards.
Bad Dog. No biscuit.
14 posted on
11/13/2007 1:37:51 AM PST by
Caipirabob
(Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
To: panther33
I sent an email to A&E telling them our family was boycotting all of their broadcasts until he is given a second chance.
Never got a reply, if more were sent who knows?
To: panther33
heck he didnt say anything NEAR as bad as RAP LYRICS
22 posted on
11/13/2007 2:13:11 AM PST by
Mr. K
(Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
To: panther33
I think he deserves a second chance. I understand that even Whoopi was pretty conciliatory when speaking of it on The View.
23 posted on
11/13/2007 2:17:04 AM PST by
Mila
To: panther33
Dog was having what he thought was a personal conversation with his son. He used a vulgar term, to his son, to describe a person he felt was hurting his son. The term was not directed at the woman herself, and therefore Dog owes neither her nor anyone else any apology. The
personal conversation that Dog had with his son was nobody's business. The fact that the son sold the tape and made it everyone's business is not Dog's fault nor should Dog be forced to take grief for what he thought was a conversation between him and his son.
Dog also had a right to expect some degree of loyalty from his son which he did not get. If I were Dog, I would tell the kid no problem, you're on your own, and when your girlfriend gets done using you and kicks you to the curb, don't come crying to me.
Sounds like the kid needs to be reminded which side his bread is buttered on.
To: panther33
As long as the N word is in popular music by black artists, used by black comedians and so forth I could not care less who uses it. It is an offensive word regardless of who says it.
Condemning him for using the N word is racist.
To: panther33
Having paid scant attention to this “controversy”, but still more than I wanted to, I would point out that Mr. Dog was telling his son that he did not want to get caught up in some BS racial grievance firestorm, and that is what got him caught up in some BS racial grievance firestorm.
His use of the N-Word in that tape was not denigration, but an example or the language that he might use. He was having a discussion about language, and thought he was in a situation where he could use the actual word he was talking about, instead of saying “The N-Word”.
The fact is, Mr. Dog’s public act, which has made him a lot of money, requires him to use coarse language and racial slurs from time to time. He was merely pointing out to his son that he did not want somebody in the family making a big deal out of it every time he did so. This is a perfectly reasonable position and really has nothing to do with racial denigration or the individual girl involved.
And it turns out that Mr. Dog was right.
31 posted on
11/13/2007 3:38:43 AM PST by
gridlock
(Recycling is the new Religion.)
To: panther33
If Imus does as well as I think on his new show, A&E may apologize to Dog for pulling his show.
I think the whole ordeal makes A&E look worse than Chapman. He has obviously used the language before and A&E didn't care as long as nobody actually heard it.
35 posted on
11/13/2007 4:19:18 AM PST by
BallyBill
(Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
To: panther33
Ugh. I have no interest in defending this language. Clearly, Dog knows it's unacceptable language. He just doesn't care who he offends with it.
OTOH, I have wondered if this is all some PR stunt to actually promote their little circus act and their ongoing family drama. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if every bit of this episode was all dreamed up and written as a script by their PR agent.
They're carnies, circus people. I'm still trying to figure out how a show like this ends up on A&E (Arts & Entertainment).
37 posted on
11/13/2007 4:45:49 AM PST by
George W. Bush
(Apres moi, le deluge.)
To: panther33
Very well written. I do disagree with a few points. Dog Chapman has not betrayed us or anyone else. It was a private conversation and we still should have the right to say whatever we want to in a private conversation. The only Judas was his son Tucker Chapman. I would not forgive Tucker if I were in Dog's place. Tucker is the one who should be trashed, not Dog.
It amazes me that people expect a member of the Devil's Disciples who is a 7th grade dropout to use genteel language. Dog has done far worse things than use foul language. Yet not a single gripe about them. He has used the M-F word. And he has committed adultery during previous marriages. Ask any woman: "Which is worse, your husband having an affair or your husband using bad language with an adult son in a private conversation?"
To: panther33
I forgive ‘Dog’.
But I won’t be watching his TV show.
39 posted on
11/13/2007 5:03:50 AM PST by
airborne
(Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
To: panther33
Hi Joshua, nice post! You are a good writer, too.
But some of the Freeper comments here make me want to puke! Where are the conservative and Christian standards and expectations?? Dog revealed himself for who he really is. He has two choices now - stand up and be authentic and NOT apologize....or apologize and (oh, what is that Christian word that Christians like to ignore in their own lives...? OH YEAH..) REPENT!!
Some of these ‘freeeepers’ are no more a positive difference in this world than Lefties! This ‘two wrongs make it ok’ justifications are mentally weak. Where is your intellectual rigor and community standard? We’re going to lose to the Facist-Muzzies if we don’t admonish each other, support each other, and repent with AUTHENTICITY.
Revile and admonish the actions of Dog but not the person. What in his life do we see in our own? Where are we mentally weak?? What do we hide?? Why DO we just give ourselves justifications and a ‘pass’?? YAWWWN!
How many of us are so damn quick to justify who Dog is (as he cowardly hides himself from the world) but at the same time were so eager to send ‘’Rev’’ Fred Phelps to hell (as he gladly exposes himself to the world)? I didn’t see any of the mentally slovenly Freepers just say ‘’Well, he is a Kansas Baptist. It’s just in his DNA. Live and let live, duuuuuude.’’
No!! Most the great Freeps stood up, were vociferous, and took action - quick to admonish the acts of hate!
Who are we that we are a Conservative? Who are we that we Freep?
41 posted on
11/13/2007 5:27:46 AM PST by
LittleBillyInfidel
(''Undocumented nukes want to do the job that American nukes won't do.'')
To: panther33
Do you know how surreal this thread is? Over 40 posts by adults who are telling each other not to use a certain word and calling it something else - as if by calling it something else will remove the non-verbal thought from our minds. My mind is flashing back to when I was a kid and not being able to say the "H-word" or the "S-word" or the "D-word" in public and being punished by my mom for saying them. Is this really what was wanted - to have one race be a “mommy” to all the rest for saying a “bad” word? Using a replacement phrase/word out loud does not eliminate racism just as using the real word does not prove the user is a racist.
42 posted on
11/13/2007 5:34:10 AM PST by
jettester
(I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
To: All
Duane Chapman and his clan perform a necessary role in civil society ... but they are far from the heroes that some make them out to be. A&E has paid this family a small fortune and they still won’t buy a shirt. I couldn’t care less if the show never airs again.
To: panther33
Who’s this “we”? Whether his TV show continues is between him and the network.
52 posted on
11/13/2007 9:06:56 AM PST by
Tax-chick
("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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