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Advice to young men: Do not marry, do not have children
ENTERSTAGERIGHT ^ | 11/12/2007 | Stephen Baskerville

Posted on 11/13/2007 7:08:30 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: papertyger

Personal attacks and insults are not needed. I said you didn’t answer my original question and I interpreted your last sentence as I what I thought it meant. That’s all.

As for my confident assertions, I get mine the same place you get yours.


521 posted on 11/17/2007 9:58:14 AM PST by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: MrB
get involved in a good, TRADITIONAL Christian church, preferably a large one.

Ok, I know this thread is several days old, but I have to ask, I really must: Why a large one? Why not a fit one?

522 posted on 11/17/2007 7:23:23 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: qam1
Those guys are silly but lets not forget the American Husband-Foriegn born wife marriages have a lower divorce rate then American-American marriages

Actually that's been heavily debunked. Saving foreign brides of soldiers which have a higher divorce rate, almost all American male, foreign bride marriages are in the same socio-economic group, which has a rather low divorce rate overall.

For reasons I can't fathom, the highest divorce rates are found in both extremes, the very rich and the very poor. The near rich fair the best.

523 posted on 11/17/2007 7:34:52 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: grellis
Serial philandering doesn't just happen. I won't buy that even if it comes gift-wrapped.

Nope, you're dead wrong. I know just such a woman. She's incapable of being faithful to any man. She likes the thrill of the chase way too much to not cheat. Her real problem is that she's so pathological that she honestly believes she's "in love" with every new conquest. She had 8 husbands by 35. I don't even know what she's at now.

524 posted on 11/17/2007 8:31:28 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: BraveMan
For what its worth, I’ve never met a man who could honestly say his divorce was a good thing.

Now you have. The end of my first marriage was the absolute best thing that ever happened to me. It was over almost before it started but took 3 years to finally come to a conclusion.

525 posted on 11/17/2007 8:33:54 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

So you want me to believe that those eight husbands are blameless in the failure of the marriages? If she’s such a human couch, how on earth did they NOT know that before marrying her? Eight marriages before the age of 35...either she started walking down the aisle in kindergarten, or those are eight men who got married after ridiculously short courtships. So, no...her wandering didn’t just happen. It was happening all along and those men married her anyway, probably after having slept with her within the first month of knowing her. You want to think of them as blameless, go ahead. They’re not.


526 posted on 11/18/2007 6:33:25 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: grellis
So you want me to believe that those eight husbands are blameless in the failure of the marriages?

Blameless in that they did nothing to warrant her behavior, absolutely. Guilty of poor judgement? Sure. However, the two are not the same.

Eight marriages before the age of 35...either she started walking down the aisle in kindergarten, or those are eight men who got married after ridiculously short courtships

I don't think but one of her marriages ever went a year until her bed hopping led to yet another true love and subsequent divorce. The more I think about it, I don't hold the guys all that culpable. She's great at working lonely guys, most didn't have a chance. Whether you want to admit it or not, it only takes one person to screw up a relationship.

As far as the courtship thing, balderdash. My wife and I dated for six months before we were married.

527 posted on 11/18/2007 5:28:24 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

I wondered if anyone would comment on the “large” criteria.

Put (too) simply:
More people = higher chance of meeting a good wife...


528 posted on 11/18/2007 7:21:43 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Melas
I never once dated my husband before we got married, but I'd known him for years...known his family, known how he treated his girlfriends, had a very good idea of how committed he would be to a relationship, etc. Is that a requirement of every marriage? No, but it sure cuts down on the chances of the marriage failing.

You're essentially giving these guys a pass on the bad choices that they made. They chose to marry her, probably without knowing her too well, without looking too deeply into her track record--why? Loneliness? That's a stupid reason to get married. That's setting a marriage up to fail. You want to call them blameless, fine, have at it. I think it's a pantywaist excuse. It's the kind of BS I expect to hear from feminists. Real men admit and accept their mistakes, learn from them, and emerge from failed marriages as better men. The kind of men who take the pass, "I didn't do anything wrong!" line of thinking are most likely going to continue to fail in their relationships. Ditto women who say the same.

Probably not something we're going to agree on, but that's my 2c. Have a good Thanksgiving, give your beloved a peck and a squeeze!

529 posted on 11/19/2007 8:22:59 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: grellis
Probably not something we're going to agree on, but that's my 2c. Have a good Thanksgiving, give your beloved a peck and a squeeze!

That's ok, I'm old enough to realize that there are different strokes for different folks. You and yours have a great thanksgiving as well.

530 posted on 11/19/2007 9:03:47 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: null and void
I met my ex at a Mensa meeting. Where should I have gone instead, hmmmm?

From what I have seen at them..errr..

We do have good friends who DID meet at one and are very happy. However, this is the exception.

Better places would usually be..ohh..the Waterfront at night, maybe.

Remember, when Bill Clinton was elected, the _Bulletin_ had a huge picture of him one the cover, titled, "A Mensa Level President", or words to that effect. That should have been the Poison Label right there.

531 posted on 11/26/2007 8:14:58 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon

Aye. Smart and crazy is a very bad combination...


532 posted on 11/26/2007 8:17:46 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m a newlywed (just 50 days) to fellow Freeper VoxClara. What luck to have met a beautiful, intelligent, practicing Catholic woman untouched by secular humanist stupidity or feminist lies. I sold her on marrying a convert 10 year older than her by informing her that because I hated spectator sports with a fiery passion and refuse to trade my life for a pointless male soap opera, she would be sharing her life with a man who would actually be present in her life about 10+ hours per week and 15 years longer than the average sports addict, for cumulative net gain of 5 years. It worked. :)

You get what you give. I wish there were more serious studies of what I’ve always believed to be a major killer of marriage, love and Christian living-That big 42 inch plasma teat we’re all suckling on for 20+ hours a week to avoid life. That ought to be the mea culpa from the men’s side. I’ve seen a couple of male friends so addicted to sports that their wives were utterly alone in the marriage in every sense of the word, raising kids alone, shopping, cooking, cleaning and paying the bills. That’s often the nature of marriages where God is absent or displaced-one partner is the giver, the other the taker. Yes, you’d have to be crazy to sign up for that.

We went into our marriage later in life–she a cradle Catholic, me a convert–and each for the first time with eyes open. The way we see it, their are so many deal breakers today, the newly married couple has to totally embrace Church teaching that that their marriage is a VOCATION before all else–the means to worship and give glory to God. Divorce is not Catholic and not an option for us. Mass at least once a week, regular confession and consecrating the day to God through morning and evening prayers together keep the focus where it should be.

The “fear of marriage” so prevalent today is really the fear that the woman we set up to worship in the place of God won’t last more than a few years in our life. They’re right. Their goddess of the sweet smile, clear skin, bright eyes, soft lips and curves in a pretty dress has a 5-10 year shelf life.


533 posted on 11/26/2007 12:07:15 PM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: RobRoy
Just go to fredoneverything.net for several good articles about this.

Heh... Fred Reed isn't exactly the type I would go to for marriage advice. He doesn't seem to be the type who would ever invest himself long-term in the happiness of another person.

534 posted on 11/26/2007 2:11:10 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: z3n

You definitely dodged a bullet there, friend.


535 posted on 11/26/2007 2:31:19 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Melas
For reasons I can't fathom, the highest divorce rates are found in both extremes, the very rich and the very poor. The near rich fair the best.

My Chinese wife and I have been married 13 years, well on our happy way to spending the rest of our lives together. We might have been in the "near rich" category by now if we hadn't chosen to live solely on my income while our son is growing up.

536 posted on 11/26/2007 2:40:52 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Some of his articles are based on Attorneys information and books, and the experiences of others, as compared to his own experience.

the fact that he NAILED what happened to me in one of his articles made me a believer in his wisdom on this subject. I first read that article on Freerepublic here: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392d74fd47ea.htm

Check the date on that thread.


537 posted on 11/27/2007 7:22:40 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

You might be talking about the movie “To Die For”.
loosly based on the Pam Smart story.


538 posted on 12/10/2007 10:22:47 AM PST by mowowie
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To: Responsibility2nd
OK..OK...OK....all we men (and there are a few "black hearted bums out there) know that we are treated terribly in divorce court.

We don't need a Phd to tell us. We can see it in stark reality in our friends and acquantences.

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION???

and quickly please; I'm about to embark on the "big D" path myself.

539 posted on 12/10/2007 10:30:02 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
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To: Logic n' Reason

Solution # 1. Kill her.

It will cost you less.

Since this solution is made in jest, let me go to....

Solution # 2. Kill yourself. It will make her happy.

No, wait... I just can’t be serious here today.

Actually, there are many web sites that can advise you of what steps to take before divorce. From financial moves to make, to selecting a good lawyer, to this, to that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=what+to+do+before+divorce&btnG=Google+Search

But be prepared to pay. The average divorce is at some 20-30 thousand bucks.

I wish you well.


540 posted on 12/10/2007 11:07:35 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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