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Why I Think Hillary Will Win (Dick Armey Gives a Major Wake Up Call to the GOP)
Freedom Works ^ | November 13, 2007 | Dick Armey

Posted on 11/13/2007 3:14:13 PM PST by Hillary4Penetentiary

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
RP: Why do you act like Democrats? You do everything the Democrats did. You're doing all the things we accuse the Democrats of doing. You're big spenders and champions of welfare programs, even though you condemned President Clinton for nation-building. And now you're losing your shirt, you lost last year, you're running up the deficit, you're in the entitlement business, you don't care about personal liberties, and you've taken up Bill Clinton's foreign policy [of nation-building]. It doesn't make any sense. Why would you do it if you know it's hurting the party?

And people claim that Ron Paul isn't a real Republican!

He is the only consistent Republican in the group!

81 posted on 11/14/2007 2:04:11 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Graybeard58

Our country survived 12 years of the likes of Clinton and Carter and it makes me sick to my stomach to think of 4-8 years of another Clinton. The country would survive it but I don’t know if I would.

That is true. I thought for sure that America was gone during Carter Administration and I was in Second Grade when he started. lol. Clinton was painful but did not have the same feeling of doom as the Carter Administration. Another Clinton would be like a knat but I do believe that we will survive but we definitely should at least fight to have Duncan Hunter win the Presidency and then we won’t even have to worry about that at all!


82 posted on 11/14/2007 2:09:27 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
I think Mr. Armey is dead on. The Clintons would not have been elected in 1992 without the discipline of Hillry, doesn't matter how slick slick is.

This election Hillry is consumed in winning alll for herself that highest position on this planet is well planned, networked and financed.

Republicans have sought to emulate liberal politicking and they call it the Big Tent what they have become is a circus, and they have demonstrated that anybody can rise to the level of Ringmaster no matter who they are or what they believe.

83 posted on 11/14/2007 2:27:25 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: arthurus; Hillary4Penetentiary; The Great RJ

I think that rank and file Republicans look at the field and see the two most liberal of the candidates - Giuliani and Romney - as the most electable. And unlike the strong socon contingency that posts here, to those Republicans defeating Hillary trumps all other issues.

They see, correctly, imo, that Hillary will change the face of America like no other President has done before her. She is socialism’s Queen Bee, and she is ready to sting.

The policies she could enact with a Dem congress would relegate Conservatism to an unelectable fringe philosophy, by making sure that suffrage is extended to all those that would be beholding to a Democrat nanny-state.

Is that what you want? It’s not what mainstream Republicans want, so Rudy and Romney continue to poll well nationally. I am anti-Rudy on social issues, but I am pro-practicality above all else. (As, I believe, was Rudy, when he was whipping ultra-liberal New York City into shape).

Simply put, we can return to Conservatism after a Rudy presidency (might not his running mate be a staunch Conservative?), but we will NEVER be able to send a Conservative to the White House following a Clinton-redux presidency with a Democrat Congress.

Can you possibly believe that Hillary Clinton will allow herself to be a bridge to the next Ronald Reagan? No, my friends, Hillary will make sure those bridges are burned.

Rush, Sean and Mark will be considered to be purveyors of “hate speech”, and we will lose our voice. They will find a way to circumvent the Electoral College. They will socialize medicine. They will outrage Conservatives with impunity, knowing that we will be outvoted at every election.

This country, this party and Conservatism can withstand a Rudy presidency. They cannot withstand a Hillary presidency.

Freepers, we have to understand that our brand of Conservatism is a subset of the Republican party, even though pro-life-ism is a plank in the Republican platform. All those who are pro-life and staunch second amendment advocates, and put those issues first are Republicans - there are no Dems or Liberals with those beliefs. But NOT all Republicans place those two planks at the top of the platform - that is the cold truth.

Ronald Reagan was the perfect storm. Idealistic and practical, with a clear view of government’s role in our lives. All his views feathered in with ours as social and fiscal conservatives - and he was eminently electable. But candidates with all those attributes are very few and very far between.

But we need Republican Presidents to bridge us to the next true Conservative. That’s why this election is so different. We MUST elect a Republican. We MUST, as unpleasant and frustrating as it is, once again reshuffle our priorities in the name of practicality - and survival.


84 posted on 11/14/2007 5:03:28 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: sirchtruth

“Whenever anybody hits Hillary on her personal life, her marriage, or whether she is a lesbian or not, it plays into her hands.”

Good point. And why go there, when there’s so many policy and practice points one can hit her on. My tag line is “Remember Billy Dale” for a reason. This was an essentially low-level government employee that used his entire life’s savings to fight an malicious prosecution by Hillary’s hand-picked hatchet (wo)man, Janet Reno. This would be the same Janet Reno that wouldn’t go after REAL malfeasance in the White House in the form of Goracle fund raising.

And my response if she brings up “you focus too much on 9/11” would be tell her “sure, you’d like to forget it - you were booed off the stage at the first responder fund raiser” and then to ask her how many police/firefighter funerals did she attend. Even Schmucky Schumer made an attempt to attend several and Rudy (love him or hate him) attended every one he could.

This isn’t 92 and 96 - the conservative blogs are numerous, stronger, and Fox News isn’t about to give her a free pass. And while her Media Matters tries to shut up the likes of Rush, Hannity and Beck, the spotlight is being turned on this organization, plus Moveon.org.

I notice Media Matters doesn’t go after Levin. But then again, I believe he told Hiliary and her organization if they even tried, he’d sue them for tortious interference with contract. Time to stand up and push them back, as the Great One says.


85 posted on 11/14/2007 7:09:15 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary

>it will be simply the unfair leg up the media is already giving her<

True. And too many Americans are falling for it. We can’t fix that.


86 posted on 11/14/2007 9:22:46 AM PST by Califreak (Duncan Hunter-no clothespin necessary!)
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To: Don W

Damn it, you caught me!:) I’ll admit it, I thought we were going to gain (Senate, I don’t think I made any firm predictions about the House) seats last year. I thought that Republicans could pull it out. There were just too danged many missteps. As long as no one calls Hillary a “macaca”, she shouldn’t really have a chance.


87 posted on 11/14/2007 9:23:06 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: StatenIsland
My thought is that Giuliani is the one thing that can and will give the election to Mrs. Clinton. If Giuliani is the nominee the entire MSM, newspaper and broadcast, will be wall-to-wall trumpeting of all of Giuliani's skeletons. The social conservatives will not withstand that and will stay away from the polls. However folks may tear their hair and rage against this "illogical" behaviour, it is how it will be. You will feel smug and somewhat satisfied after Giuliani loses big because you think you can blame it on those damned Christians. So long as you have someone you don't like to blame it all on then it is okay. Some people drive their cars that way. They will not even try to avoid an accident they see coming if they think the other guy will be at fault. Their own potential death or injury doesn't even figure in their self righteousness.

I don't like Romney any more than Giuliani but he is just apt to be elected and I could vote for him. Giuliani is a Rockefeller Republican Last Hurrah and will give us the permanent Social Democrat state by losing and taking many down-ticket Republicans with him.

88 posted on 11/14/2007 10:31:18 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: rintense

That’s absolutely true.

However, it disturbs me to see all these former high-profile Republicans like Armey just throwing in the towel.


89 posted on 11/14/2007 12:00:16 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary

Armey’s not a RINO. He’s just stupid, and in desperate need of a glimmer of the attention he once received when in office.


90 posted on 11/14/2007 12:02:08 PM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: RockinRight

Because they’d rather run a campaign based on fear (against Hillary) than run one based on principles. That’s why John Kerry lost in 2006- he ran against GWB, preaching fear instead of supporting principles and ideas. Of course, that implies that democrats actually HAVE principles. But you know what I mean.


91 posted on 11/14/2007 12:02:53 PM PST by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Hillary4Penetentiary
"The only way the Republican party will beat Hillary Clinton is to return to its limited-government roots. "

Correctamundo.

92 posted on 11/14/2007 12:09:36 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Right Cal Gal
And my response if she brings up “you focus too much on 9/11” would be tell her “sure, you’d like to forget it - you were booed off the stage at the first responder fund raiser” and then to ask her how many police/firefighter funerals did she attend. Even Schmucky Schumer made an attempt to attend several and Rudy (love him or hate him) attended every one he could.

And you make a GREAT point! You have to only give people the facts, no speculation or innuendo. There are such imprecating facts out there about her faults there's no need to go downtown and take a left on Surmisal Avenue.

93 posted on 11/14/2007 3:17:30 PM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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